Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You basically never need a shaman, they’re just nice to have. Until melees get their raid gear and primals. It’s a good thing that a class so useless for high level grouping can solo decently, at least.

Eh, not true.

If you're going the untwinked route, shaman stat buffs are great for melee.

But this is a 4 person all caster/priest group. So in the context of the thread, you're correct [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) It is a really big spell book so they can avoid stepping on toes

2) skeleton crews are terrible - some level of redundancy is good. Idk if you’ve ever gone to a bar or diner which is crewed to accommodate an average night but it is busier than normal - service is terrible. It is better to have redundancy so that when you really need it then it will be there.

Redundancies helps out when things go wrong or are too busy (interrupts, resists, summons, dirtnaps etc). Arguably a cleric covers an enchanter sufficient enough to not also require a second enc. The cost of redundancy when things go well/as expected is small. The cost to skipping redundancy can be catastrophic.

Having the right level of redundancy and contingency is important and the right level certainly is not zero.

I think you misread my post. I wasn't saying redundancy is bad, and I agree with what you said here. The people who are arguing against Shaman disagree with this post, because they think redundancy is bad. Its nonsense of course. They think you can't have redundancy, therefore a Shaman is bad. But they forget this argument would also mean you can't bring a second Enchanter or Cleric lol.

This is hardware redundancy, not superfluous redundancy just so everybody is on the same page.

[Ripqozko]

2 pages to go and ya know DSM has to have the last word, I'm excited

[Gloomlord]

Remember when DSM left the thread? Good times.

Guy just had the need to come in again after this thread was bumped because he knows he's embarrassed himself and wants to get the last word.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember when DSM left the thread? Good times.

Guy just had the need to come in again after this thread was bumped because he knows he's embarrassed himself and wants to get the last word.

Not embarassed at all. The trolls are still trolling, and people still can't explain why Shamans are bad.

This thread is simply a reminder of that. People can provide evidence for their claims or stop at any time.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not embarassed at all. The trolls are still trolling, and people still can't explain why Shamans are bad.

This thread is simply a reminder of that. People can provide evidence for their claims or stop at any time.

See he can never not have the last word, easy 400

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not embarassed at all. The trolls are still trolling, and people still can't explain why Shamans are bad.

This thread is simply a reminder of that. People can provide evidence for their claims or stop at any time.

But we have. More than 10 posters have done so. Some have even provided DPS metres for Mage. You've disregarded them all, then moved the goalposts.

And I'm the troll, Brown? Right...

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But we have. More than 10 posters have done so. Some have even provided DPS metres for Mage. You've disregarded them all, then moved the goalposts.

None of this is true, but that is par for the course with a troll.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not embarassed at all. The trolls are still trolling, and people still can't explain why Shamans are bad.

This thread is simply a reminder of that. People can provide evidence for their claims or stop at any time.

Nobody is saying shamans are bad. They are just simply not as needed in this state of velious with gear and especially in this composition. As I stated, Most monks would rather just duo with a cleric because you don’t have to risk torp not keeping up or with dispells and what not. Having a cleric is just safer, just toss in cheals as needed with aego. Rez if shit hits the fan. Paci bracer through dungeon. Double da, etc. blur. Just more tools than a shaman.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is saying shamans are bad. They are just simply not as needed in this state of velious with gear and especially in this composition. As I stated, Most monks would rather just duo with a cleric because you don’t have to risk torp not keeping up or with dispells and what not. Having a cleric is just safer, just toss in cheals as needed with aego. Rez if shit hits the fan. Paci bracer through dungeon. Double da, etc. blur. Just more tools than a shaman.

And I am not saying Clerics are bad either. People are simply overestimating them for the content this group will be doing. You aren't CHing a warrior discing.

Torp + Slow will keep up with whatever a Monk/Cleric duo can do. I would be happy to discuss specific camps if you had some in mind.