Raid Suspension: The Mystical Order

[Glenzig]

Someone needs to take the higher ground in this situation. Continually posting 1,000 word counterarguments in RnF won't change anything. It just makes the haters more enraged. Eat the suspension with some dignity. Like Hitpoint said, it isn't the end of the world for TMO to miss out on a couple dragon spawns in VP. This is coming from someone who actually kinda likes most of the TMO I've dealt with. I even kind of like Tiggles RnF persona. A little class goes a long way.

[Lopretni]

But then TMo would have competition and that'd be the worst thing in the universe ever, right? :^)

[Rais]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the dragons were coming for Sussy there would be new FTE messages after he died. The breakdown of the video was posted in two different forms a few pages back. It shows you how to view the fraps with time stamps, what to look for, and why it makes sense.

Unless he was on the list, and others were put on it when the dragons saw them. It's not 100% proof that bandito was the only one on the list. His entire group would be on the agro list from bard/healing his group. His entire group is still in the zone/trying to camp out. So why did a new FTE shout go off when bandito died? Shouldn't the five other people be on the agro list also? I know there has been issues with fte shout in the past so maybe this is part of it?

It was always ruled that you need to control your pulls no matter what. It was a ruling that benefited tmo over ib, and ib was suspended from all mobs because of it. Now the same thing has come in return. The first one was iffy, just like this one. Both have merits and downfalls.

Originally Posted by Socratic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IB grabs Xygoz and pulls the longest pull in all of VP, through the whole fucking zone. They don't bother to train up, and instead rely on TMO to train up for them. It works long enough for them to kill Xygoz. Afterwards they stand there and claim ignorance while all the shit they pulled Xygoz through comes running down to zone in. It's all TMO's fault they say... because... TMO is the guild responsible for keeping IBs pull clean?

From my inside infos Hitpoint admitted he had trained hosh up through Xygoz. Either he died or lost agro and this is what caused Hoku to gain assist agro from Hosh. In the end it was his train that caused the agro. I am sure if things weren't trained, IB would have never gotten the dragon to zone in.

So it sounds like someone messed up, and everything is being thrown in to confuse the entire situation. Either my inside staff infos are full of shit, or this is what went down in the meeting. Everything else is irreverent if Hitpoint came clean like that.

[TMO so immersed]

Lazie's immersion is reaching critical levels

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless he was on the list, and others were put on it when the dragons saw them. It's not 100% proof that bandito was the only one on the list. His entire group would be on the agro list from bard/healing his group. His entire group is still in the zone/trying to camp out. So why did a new FTE shout go off when bandito died? Shouldn't the five other people be on the agro list also? I know there has been issues with fte shout in the past so maybe this is part of it?

That's not how agro transfer works. Bard song will gain agro for the bard, it will not transfer it to others. Same as any beneficial spell. If a cleric heals someone with agro, the cleric gains agro. If a cleric has agro and heals someone without agro, that person still will not have agro.

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From my inside infos Hitpoint admitted he had trained hosh up through Xygoz. Either he died or lost agro and this is what caused Hoku to gain assist agro from Hosh. In the end it was his train that caused the agro. I am sure if things weren't trained, IB would have never gotten the dragon to zone in.

So it sounds like someone messed up, and everything is being thrown in to confuse the entire situation. Either my inside staff infos are full of shit, or this is what went down in the meeting. Everything else is irreverent if Hitpoint came clean like that.

Yes your inside info is full of shit or it wasn't communicated/understood properly. I never touched Hoshkar or any dragon involved with this pull. I was dead for the entire duration because I was on train up for our PD pull before this, you can see Shinko dragging my corpse at :55.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless he was on the list, and others were put on it when the dragons saw them. It's not 100% proof that bandito was the only one on the list. His entire group would be on the agro list from bard/healing his group. His entire group is still in the zone/trying to camp out. So why did a new FTE shout go off when bandito died? Shouldn't the five other people be on the agro list also? I know there has been issues with fte shout in the past so maybe this is part of it?

It was always ruled that you need to control your pulls no matter what. It was a ruling that benefited tmo over ib, and ib was suspended from all mobs because of it. Now the same thing has come in return. The first one was iffy, just like this one. Both have merits and downfalls.





From my inside infos Hitpoint admitted he had trained hosh up through Xygoz. Either he died or lost agro and this is what caused Hoku to gain assist agro from Hosh. In the end it was his train that caused the agro. I am sure if things weren't trained, IB would have never gotten the dragon to zone in.

So it sounds like someone messed up, and everything is being thrown in to confuse the entire situation. Either my inside staff infos are full of shit, or this is what went down in the meeting. Everything else is irreverent if Hitpoint came clean like that.

His entire group would not be on the list based on his songs.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not how agro transfer works. Bard song will gain agro for the bard, it will not transfer it to others. Same as any beneficial spell. If a cleric heals someone with agro, the cleric gains agro. If a cleric has agro and heals someone without agro, that person still will not have agro.






Yes your inside info is full of shit or it wasn't communicated/understood properly. I never touched Hoshkar or any dragon involved with this pull. I was dead for the entire duration because I was on train up for our PD pull before this, you can see Shinko dragging my corpse at :55.

Pretty sad a former GM doesn't understand how aggro works.

[quido]

I explained to TMO that we need to petition raid disputes like red people post in RnF. Don't write paragraphs and explain what happened; you need to post a screenshot and scribble on it in MSPaint. A series of scribbled-upon screenshots will also work. Find the pertinent part of the image and select it using the rectangular select tool. Then copy and paste the selection and drag it to a new part of the image. Make sure to resize the copied selection to a different breadth and height. Repeat this process until the image is littered with "Hoshkar engages Hokushin!" of varying sizes. It is in your interest to rotate a few of them 90 degrees also so that the text reads vertically. Use this classic image as a template. Don't forget to make a reference to the numbers also - the image should probably contain text saying "10 vs 200" or whatever you remember it being. Only then will our red GMs see the merits of your case.

[Hitpoint]

What I said was that our trainer for Hoshkar during this pull had been killed causing us to lose agro on Hoshkar. Which is absolutely true. Had that not happened, Hosh likely would have continued to balcony and none of this would have occurred. But VP is a dangerous place and shit happens. Things get taken out of context I guess.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sad a former GM doesn't understand how aggro works.

Former GM?