If you believe in god, you're an idiot... - Page 38

Azazel · #1 01-31-2011, 06:39 AM

There is a lot to respond to here. On just this one point:

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Religion reinvents itself all the time as well even within specific religions. To use your quote it "goes through continual self examination, ideas are held up to be criticized." Even within religions like Catholicism and Christianity within the last few hundred years the mindset has shifted dramatically in terms of the intent of religious teachings, their true translations, and so on. In light of new evidence and theories there are new religions and theologies created. It evolves exactly the same as science and just as fast.

Religous doctrine is rigid. Yes it does change, but rarely (your own example is of a few hundred years) and is often in necessary response to social pressures. The reformation did not happen in light of new evidence but rather came about because of social / political / economic reasons (and Martin Luther).

Science understanding however changes daily. Just take a look at any scientific journal and each publication will be in same way be a refutation or expansion on previous theory.

It is in the very nature of religion (at least the Abrahimic ones) to be inflexible for they proclaim themselves to be truth.

Messianic · #2 01-31-2011, 10:45 AM

So what's the Atheist deathcount for the past century? Stalin with his 15+ Million, Mao with his 40+ Million? Lots of tolerance from those atheistic societies.

I'll say this regarding the title of this thread - if you're a dogmatic atheist with a hatred for religion (i.e. a true atheist, not merely a hard agnostic), you're just as stupid as those whose religions you hate.

Beauregard · #3 01-31-2011, 11:04 AM

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So what's the Atheist deathcount for the past century? Stalin with his 15+ Million, Mao with his 40+ Million? Lots of tolerance from those atheistic societies.

I'll say this regarding the title of this thread - if you're a dogmatic atheist with a hatred for religion (i.e. a true atheist, not merely a hard agnostic), you're just as stupid as those whose religions you hate.

Act's done by atheists, not in the name of Atheism itself. Let that not be confused with the Inquisition, Crusades, Al Qaida, Teahadists, etc.

Tumdumm · #4 01-31-2011, 01:24 PM

oh my science

Alawen Everywhere · #5 01-31-2011, 04:39 PM

This is a super amusing turn the thread has taken. The big problem in the world is too much science. Got it. Quick, let's all email Obama that the key to winning the future is teaching creationism and going to Bible college.

Slathar · #6 01-31-2011, 05:05 PM

If you look at the countries with the best education systems and social welfare programs (math/science/foreign language) you can see that these countries are largely pro-evolution.

Finland, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Denmark are just a few examples, but there are more. These countries are overwhelmingly subscribers of evolution without a magical being who made people out of clay and were tricked into evil by a talking snake at a magical tree that gave never-ending life if you ate it's fruit.

Slathar · #7 01-31-2011, 05:06 PM

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If you look at the countries with the best education systems and social welfare programs (math/science/foreign language) you can see that these countries are largely pro-evolution.

Finland, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Denmark are just a few examples, but there are more. These countries are overwhelmingly subscribers of evolution without a magical being who made people out of clay and were tricked into evil by a talking snake at a magical tree that gave never-ending life if you ate it's fruit.

Oops. The (math/science/foreign language) part should have been next to best education systems not social welfare programs. American education has failed me.

Henini · #8 01-31-2011, 06:08 PM

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Oops. The (math/science/foreign language) part should have been next to best education systems not social welfare programs. American education has failed me.

these are also nations that have to manage their resources properly since they don't have much. It's very different there then it is in the USA.

Humerox · #9 01-31-2011, 07:47 PM

Slathar · #10 02-01-2011, 12:22 AM

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these are also nations that have to manage their resources properly since they don't have much. It's very different there then it is in the USA.

great explanation of how its very different. not.

they have higher tax rates and a (gasp!) socialist government. sure there arent many mega rich people there but there are a whole lot of people with a house, food, job, and if they so wish, cars. they have health care and access to good education. if they so wish they can go to university which is mostly free to everyone.

but yet in the richest country in the world people are living on the streets in increasing numbers as our national education gets worse and worse. not to mention our decaying infrastructure. our airports are a joke compared to most international airports in the rest of the world.

this is largely due to belief in the "american dream" which is a falsehood and hasn't existed for half a century.

can't wait to move out of the states again [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] forgot how awful this country is