New ToV Racing Rules

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by trite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First of all, limited pixels due to limited resources AKA a lack of instances is one of the things that makes classic everquest great....esoteric prestige among other nerds who have also invested time in the elf sim is why we play lol.....there is no other reason to grind out anything....

Secondly....

Casual is a euphemism on this server for incompetent, rules are already completely fair...if you haven't invested the time to get the loot with the current rules, it's so rare you definitely don't deserve it...Only 108ish items drop off Vulak in one year and I'd estimate 300 active players are already participating in NToV encounters between awakened and aftermath on a weekly basis....

It's not like these guilds have a Rampage style recruiting system where numbers were kept limited and the vetting process was extreme...Velious has forced the top guilds to get large and anyone can apply who meets the requirements. If you don't meet those requirements you aren't ready.....

Guilds that don't have the wherewithal to compete with the current rule set simply don't belong...

So you are saying casual guilds are full of incompetent players, while at the same time saying A/A will recruit any level fresh Chardok 60 who meets their class need requirements?

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you are saying casual guilds are full of incompetent players, while at the same time saying A/A will recruit any level fresh Chardok 60 who meets their class need requirements?

My thoughts exactly. Dude contradicted the fuck out of himself and doesn't even realize it lol. A/A is no different than any other guild on P99 they have a small core of hardcore supernerds that do 90% of the work and the warmbodies just show up to turn on auto attack and click a CH macro.

I've been in 2 major raid guilds on P99 and have an RL friend that's been in 2 different raid guilds than I have. This isn't an exaggeration. The VAST majority of the work involved in operating a successful raiding guild is handled by a very small group of people in pretty much every raid guild that exists. Everyone else (like it or not) is just filler. I put myself squarely in that category as well. Largely because I main a class that can't really help with pulls/FTE very much and isn't really vital to the raid's success as long as there's at least 1 shaman the extras don't add very much except spreading around the buff load.

Coincidentally the people that beat their chest and boast of their guilds accomplishments and look down from their high horse at the casual guilds and tell them they need to "earn it" in regards to pixels are mostly the filler types in A/A acting like they're somehow more deserving cause they showed up. It's all a big joke :P

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The VAST majority of the work involved in operating a successful raiding guild is handled by a very small group of people in pretty much every raid guild that exists. Everyone else (like it or not) is just filler.

Good point. Why should we expect p99 guilds to function differently from any other collection of humans?

[Mistle]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My thoughts exactly. Dude contradicted the fuck out of himself and doesn't even realize it lol. A/A is no different than any other guild on P99 they have a small core of hardcore supernerds that do 90% of the work and the warmbodies just show up to turn on auto attack and click a CH macro.

I've been in 2 major raid guilds on P99 and have an RL friend that's been in 2 different raid guilds than I have. This isn't an exaggeration. The VAST majority of the work involved in operating a successful raiding guild is handled by a very small group of people in pretty much every raid guild that exists. Everyone else (like it or not) is just filler. I put myself squarely in that category as well. Largely because I main a class that can't really help with pulls/FTE very much and isn't really vital to the raid's success as long as there's at least 1 shaman the extras don't add very much except spreading around the buff load.

Coincidentally the people that beat their chest and boast of their guilds accomplishments and look down from their high horse at the casual guilds and tell them they need to "earn it" in regards to pixels are mostly the filler types in A/A acting like they're somehow more deserving cause they showed up. It's all a big joke :P

It's like this in Eve too. You have the handful of people in the corp who do all the logistics and command the fleets, and then the 90% mouthbreathing casuals who often can't be counted on to even lock the right target up when it is broadcasted or follow the right anchor. But without the filler, no one goes anywhere.

All the leaders get is the pride of helping make something become something. It's not surprising how often they burn out.

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by trite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First of all, limited pixels due to limited resources AKA a lack of instances is one of the things that makes classic everquest great....esoteric prestige among other nerds who have also invested time in the elf sim is why we play lol.....there is no other reason to grind out anything....

This is what we call an opinion. Not even a widely agreed upon one necessarily. That the reason EQ classic was great is because there were bottlenecks.

The vast majority of people that played that game disagreed with you. Most people thought that bottlenecks were the shitty part of the game that needed to be addressed. Which is why no game with bottlenecks like this would ever make it to the market today. Not only that, but the existing game (EQ) doesn't even have bottlenecks on their progression servers! Only on a server like this one where its basically illegal to make any money are you going to see a system like this.

You also skate over the fact that real live classic EQ, wasn't this competitive and casuals weren't in position to do the content. It's not like they could have but were cockblocked -- that's whats going on on this server.

As for your second point -- it's actually better than anyone else's who disagreed with me IMO. Because you seem to get this is about players and not guild tags. Players need to be able to progress their characters or they quit. When Rampage ran everything -- a lot of people simply couldn't.

I still think its kind of stupid to be forced to play the game this way. An option between less pixils and a playstyle you approve of more would serve as a lifeline to a huge portion of the population that wants to raid and progress now and again but doesn't want to be a raid guild full time.

[radditsu]

This is still happening?

[Oleris]

not big on 30 minute countdown for server resets. It allows those that would not normally be able to compete a large window to get a force in place. Add in tagging a mob and waiting 45 minutes until you have to joint raid because your guild didn't show up.... I'm waiting for a TMO, Taken, Asgard, FE, A-team member FTE's a mob and gives it to another guild after such a period.

[Relbaic]

Originally Posted by Oleris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not big on 30 minute countdown for server resets. It allows those that would not normally be able to compete a large window to get a force in place. Add in tagging a mob and waiting 45 minutes until you have to joint raid because your guild didn't show up.... I'm waiting for a TMO, Taken, Asgard, FE, A-team member FTE's a mob and gives it to another guild after such a period.

Because the only people that play this game raid.

You're a moron.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Oleris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not big on 30 minute countdown for server resets. It allows those that would not normally be able to compete a large window to get a force in place. Add in tagging a mob and waiting 45 minutes until you have to joint raid because your guild didn't show up.... I'm waiting for a TMO, Taken, Asgard, FE, A-team member FTE's a mob and gives it to another guild after such a period.

Basically you're "not big" on something that evens the playing field (even if its very slightly) for people with necks much less beardy than yours with socks that have significantly less poop in them. Big surprise there right? I personally am stunned at this shocking new discovery. Stay tuned for our next big news story: Rich white republicans are in favor of tax breaks for the rich.

Originally Posted by Relbaic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because the only people that play this game raid.

You're a moron.

Oleris has never been quite the sharpest tool in the shed.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically you're "not big" on something that evens the playing field (even if its very slightly) for people with necks much less beardy than yours with socks that have significantly less poop in them. Big surprise there right? I personally am stunned at this shocking new discovery. Stay tuned for our next big news story: Rich white republicans are in favor of tax breaks for the rich.

Oleris has never been quite the sharpest tool in the shed.

why they gotta be white?