Hey Forsaken

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Inb4 someone tries to argue semantics by saying that they didn't actually disband, that everybody left and that there are some non-raiders or people that switched to red still with the former TMO tag.

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Less than 50% of TMO membership left to Forsaken. I made this argument earlier... people just ignored it or deflected it.

Called it. Someone couldn't help but argue the semantics instead of discussing the actual substance. Guess who it was.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Incorrect TMO still has well over 100 members and are talking about raiding this week.

Make sure that no Foreskin members are allowed at your kills.

On second thought, don't. Invite them all back. Go ahead. I'm sure it's ok. It doesn't say in the rules you can't have them.

[cs616]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except with BDA and FE there was a class tier system that a guild was attempting to circumvent.

Prove it.

First agreeing with Alarti, and now quoting him? Look what youve done chest!

But seriously, enforcing rules based on a perceived intention of another party is a shitty basis for a rule system. Maybe some of them got sick of class C and just want to raid casually in R. Maybe they want to see how their new guild will fair in a small pond before jumping back in the ocean. They are for all intents and purposes a new guild, albeit fractured from another like FE was, but that shouldnt be a reason for the sins of the father to be visited on the son.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by cs616 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Prove it.

First agreeing with Alarti, and now quoting him? Look what youve done chest!

But seriously, enforcing rules based on a perceived intention of another party is a shitty basis for a rule system. Maybe some of them got sick of class C and just want to raid casually in R. Maybe they want to see how their new guild will fair in a small pond before jumping back in the ocean. They are for all intents and purposes a new guild, albeit fractured from another like FE was, but that shouldnt be a reason for the sins of the father to be visited on the son.

You are going full Alarti now. First, you focused on how someone phrased the raid makeup (93% former TMO members vs. COMPRISED OF 93% former TMO members), then you say prove it, and now you're are creating your own victory conditions for the arguments you get into by cherry-picking select words and phrasing. Please try to regain control before you too are spiraling out of control and going full retard against people using your tactics against you.

[Mistle]

Originally Posted by cs616 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe some of them got sick of class C and just want to raid casually in R.

Shoulda petitioned first then, according to Q17, shouldn't they? The fact that they were "sick of class C" should have been an indication even from your own words that they needed to follow class C to R rules, doesn't it?

They didn't of course. They knew what they were doing was wrong, they either just didn't care or were hoping Sirken's incompetence would bail them out, which he almost did.

[arsenalpow]

Did you not see any of the screenshots where they were blatantly conspiring to just pick off some class r mobs just because before they went after some class C targets? Or how the screenshot had their justification of "well IB turned into rampage so we can do whatever the hell we want too"

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shoulda petitioned first then, according to Q17, shouldn't they? The fact that they were "sick of class C" should have been an indication even from your own words that they needed to follow class C to R rules, doesn't it?

They didn't of course. They knew what they were doing was wrong, they either just didn't care or were hoping Sirken's incompetence would bail them out, which he almost did.

Q17: How can a guild move from Class C, back to Class R?
A: If a Class C guild does not get a Class C kill for 30 days, then that guild can request that the staff place them back inside Class R. This request will be reviewed and then decided by the staff on a case by case basis.

The guild was not Class C is the point. The guild had cleared 0 targets at that point.

TMO is class C

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you not see any of the screenshots where they were blatantly conspiring to just pick off some class r mobs just because before they went after some class C targets? Or how the screenshot had their justification of "well IB turned into rampage so we can do whatever the hell we want too"

So? Can a guild not be class R if they intend to go to Class C at some point? I thought that was the rules. So we are pre-punishing intentions now?

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Q17: How can a guild move from Class C, back to Class R?
A: If a Class C guild does not get a Class C kill for 30 days, then that guild can request that the staff place them back inside Class R. This request will be reviewed and then decided by the staff on a case by case basis.

The guild was not Class C is the point. The guild had cleared 0 targets at that point.

TMO is class C

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What Q17 does not say is that they can reform as a new guild and pretend like they're class R all of a sudden.

I might be getting *too* good at this.

[cs616]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you not see any of the screenshots where they were blatantly conspiring to just pick off some class r mobs just because before they went after some class C targets? Or how the screenshot had their justification of "well IB turned into rampage so we can do whatever the hell we want too"

No, I didnt. I only visit the boards when Im bored these days.

As for arguing semantics samoht, I wasnt the one using inaccurate language that drastically changed the portrayal of what actually happened. 97% of the same people is drastically different than being 97% comprised of. For example, if 4 people leave a 10,000 person company to create their own start of, it is extremely disingenuous to say that they are 100% the same people when it is actually 0.04% of the same people.

Dont blame me because people dont understand how to express simple math.