Official Repop Day guild Kills

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by goshozal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wasn't present for either Trak or VP yesterday. I was at work when the repop hit. I don't claim to have any knowledge of what actually went down in the clusterfuck race-fest that must have ensued. I'm new to TMO and the raiding scene. I don't have any pre-existing issues with anyone here.

That said:

It blows my mind that FE is claiming TMO is crooked and accusing them of training juggs at trak, while at the same time openly stating that they went into VP with no intent of killing any dragons, only for the purpose training TMO.

Do you really think you have some kind of moral high ground here?

-Maksim

lol?

[kotton05]

;-)

[Zeelot]

Morale

You got the word wrong. Morale refers to what FE is losing a lot of after yesterday's repop.

[Taresh]

this is a game over pixels not a moral crusade

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

tmo is known for training/grieifn their competition if they get beat to a target.

it suprises no one that if FE had 30 at ledge, and tmo only had 5, that the ledge would be "accidentally trained"

I've watched you train VD at Trak before and then VD blame it on TMO. after VD got trained they brought it all back to ledge on top of the few TMO that didn't log out in time.

oh god how this quote is hilarious to me.

Originally Posted by Zeelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You got the word wrong. Morale refers to what FE is losing a lot of after yesterday's repop.

this one too...

[kotton05]

Oh thanks zeelot for correcting my typo! Wasn't a loss 1 epic dragon n 2 loot dragons.... Grats on vs tho. Only thing that saddens me was I missed him. For some reason I really like that encounter.

Saying we're not having fun out doing the giant with all mobs but vp/ct is a joke. Having a blast here. Y'all make it worth while.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by goshozal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm aware that the server rules are different in VP than anywhere else. However, I really don't see how someone can claim crooked play by trains while admitting that they went to train.

Like I said, I'm new. Please do educate me, Mr. Diggles.

-Maksim

Training is not allowed anywhere but in VP. It is essential on this server to maintain dominance and/or accomplish anything in VP. This is the environment that FE has to deal with to break into VP, and this is the environment that reigned when TMO entered VP as well.

It would be nice if PEOPLE could come to an agreement such that this was not necessary, however that will not happen. Your guild controls VP and will not make any concessions that would in any way remove there ability to do so.

Its not about morals or ethics, it is about using whatever tactic possible within the set of rules that can achieve dominance. Unfortunately, rules are never perfect such that there are always ways to work within their grey areas. Training outside of VP happens because people think they can get away with it, and alot of times they do.

I dont think most people here are trying to degrade you, but at the same time you should not be so naive. Hope that helps.

[goshozal]

How does training TMO while not having a force to "break into" VP present help FE?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Training is not allowed anywhere but in VP. It is essential on this server to maintain dominance and/or accomplish anything in VP. This is the environment that FE has to deal with to break into VP, and this is the environment that reigned when TMO entered VP as well.

It would be nice if PEOPLE could come to an agreement such that this was not necessary, however that will not happen. Your guild controls VP and will not make any concessions that would in any way remove there ability to do so.

Its not about morals or ethics, it is about using whatever tactic possible within the set of rules that can achieve dominance. Unfortunately, rules are never perfect such that there are always ways to work within their grey areas. Training outside of VP happens because people think they can get away with it, and alot of times they do.

I dont think most people here are trying to degrade you, but at the same time you should not be so naive. Hope that helps.

It is essential to accomplish anything in VP. So why didn't you bring in a raid force to accomplish something? Only VD in the past trained for no reason other than loot denial or griefing. Even IB didn't do that.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Training is not allowed anywhere but in VP. It is essential on this server to maintain dominance and/or accomplish anything in VP. This is the environment that FE has to deal with to break into VP, and this is the environment that reigned when TMO entered VP as well.

It would be nice if PEOPLE could come to an agreement such that this was not necessary, however that will not happen. Your guild controls VP and will not make any concessions that would in any way remove there ability to do so.

Its not about morals or ethics, it is about using whatever tactic possible within the set of rules that can achieve dominance. Unfortunately, rules are never perfect such that there are always ways to work within their grey areas. Training outside of VP happens because people think they can get away with it, and alot of times they do.

I dont think most people here are trying to degrade you, but at the same time you should not be so naive. Hope that helps.

Training needs to be legal in all raid zones (this means zones designed for raiding) and Trakanon lair (everything past the locked door).

Then things would balance out so lovely.

Next take away stupid large variance.

finally watch poopsocking fucking die the horrible fucking death that it needs to fucking die.

Go ahead, park 20 on spawn point while I run around with my army of battletoads, mother fucker, I dare you.