Seal Team removes ourselves from all player agreements

[Seducio]

Originally Posted by zodium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if Phatez hadn't uh, overplayed his hand a bit

An interesting alternative sequence of events would have occurred if the 72 hour notice had been given.

UN guilds would all be in merger talks right now rather than in the near future.

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by zodium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

everquest is an easy game at heart, and it only becomes hard because of competition between players using those simple mechanics against each other. that's why competition is something we should preserve. but ST set out from the beginning to leverage the network effect and content bottlenecks. it was something that was openly talked about as a strategy: first locking down the critical mass of high time investment players, then using that to hard lock down content. eminently doable in EQ. to me, the fucking blue duopoly was bad enough with AM and Awa more or less actively colluding to prevent "casual" guilds from having opportunities to practice (all while we were telling them they just "need to try" lmao), and the looming ST monopoly was a big part of why I didn't join ST and said sayonara to Green entirely after DaD stopped being funny, because setting out to do that from day one isn't competition and I had little confidence the staff would take any action.

I still think they wouldn't if Phatez hadn't uh, overplayed his hand a bit. lol

I agree. Phatez's goal from launch day was to dominate the raid scene. We're also talking about the worlds second(or third?) level 60 in classic WoW. And a guy who, without trying to suck his dick too much, is one of the best raid leaders i've played with. He's also hyper motivated to win. It's very easy to get behind a guy like that, especially considering basically every raid veteran on the server already knows of/played with the guy.

But frankly i'm surprised there hasn't been anyone to really contest them. There's a LOT of players on Green.

The mighty TMO was dethroned, Rampage woke the sleeper because other guilds were catching up(Which, I believe was a 3 guild alliance? Forsaken/Asgard/Someone else? Someone chime in there). AM dominated the server ruthlessly for two years, only to be eventually beaten out by a <Paradigm Shift> and <Core> team up. Riot literally had a free server for a year, only to be beaten out (Currently at least) by a Freedom/Azure Guard team up.

The raiders are out there. Give them a platform to beat Seal Team and they will come. The more a guild is hated on a server because of how good they are, the more people that become motivated to beat them. That's how it's worked on Blue for years now.

AM/AW was the closest thing i've seen to a healthy balance.

I don't think guild leaders on blue work directly against casuals. Would we like to beat them? Yes. But casuals beat themselves. Kittens and Dawn Believers could merge tomorrow and be a very serious 3rd entity if they'd like. Dawn believers killed Koi solo during our last suspension, and have a LOT of level 60 clerics. Meanwhile, Kittens could field anywhere from 60-100 people for a raid during prime time. It's certainly doable. But they don't feel like parking in ToV for 16 hour windows. /shrug. They could just do HoT clears and zone out and zone back in when a dragon pops. But parking mains in ToV and having a pet tracker isn't really the casual way is it?

[Chortles Ban Appeal]

hello everyone
i will be training the entire zone
sorry!
(LOL)

[zodium]

bruh what are you talking about, half those guilds were killed by the staff lol

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by zodium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bruh what are you talking about, half those guilds were killed by the staff lol

From what I heard, TMO was already a shell of it's former self before the froovy gate or the great RMT ban wave happened. Could be wrong though.

Rampage AW AM (And maybe)RIOT were all top dawg post velious guilds that naturally came and went.

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[Coridan]

I've said it before a dozen times, there's a huge difference between live and P99 raid scenes.

Live had one or two top raid guilds per server and the rest of the server was filthy casuals. P99 is 80% filled with the kind of people who would be in a top raid guild on live. Live had 40-something servers for those people to spread out over. We're all crammed into one space.

Even worse with Green over Blue, is that the top 10% of all those hardcore people all ended up in one single raid guild instead of being spread out. If Seal Team was split between VC, Kingdom and BL and maybe GM too why not, raid competition would be very very different.

[Finesteel]

Originally Posted by Coridan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've said it before a dozen times, there's a huge difference between live and P99 raid scenes.

Live had one or two top raid guilds per server and the rest of the server was filthy casuals. P99 is 80% filled with the kind of people who would be in a top raid guild on live. Live had 40-something servers for those people to spread out over. We're all crammed into one space.

Even worse with Green over Blue, is that the top 10% of all those hardcore people all ended up in one single raid guild instead of being spread out. If Seal Team was split between VC, Kingdom and BL and maybe GM too why not, raid competition would be very very different.

I think this is a really good point. I mean ST has been known to raid trak with over 100 people. Trak must go down in 6 seconds. But to give them a little benefit of the doubt, most hard core raiders join their guild because there is no other option. If you want to experience end game raid content you basically have one choice of guild. So all the raiders flock to ST and the casuals and causal raiders go to the other guilds. Not sure why Green molded this way and it’s a little unfortunate. I don’t think forcing rotations by server staff is the correct solution, but I don’t have any suggestions so at least staff is trying Something I guess.

[Nirgon]

Yeah no one harassed the staff, that's why clickies and soulfires that were fine for 10 years+ on blue got nerfed. When that didn't work they probably threatened to quit or go to TLP like they did before. These very same people did exactly that before.

Deep down you know what the problem is, and so do we all. You're degenerates, much more so than you try to project on others. Any kind of serious effort is torture for you, it can be for anyone, but it's a total no go for you. If you subjected yourself to the level of effort put in by others, you'd definitely get half the targets.


This UN thing isn't very optional from what I've seen. It's an effort to force the top guilds into having to deal with you instead of the staff having to and work through your incessant complaining and demands. You wanna be the top guild on p99? You're going to deal with the degenerates, appease them with constant rule changing until some pixels shake loose. None of the idiots I'm talking about will admit it, but for you the casual reader, consider it and realize the truth.