Congratulations Lord Bob

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So we're jerks for asking them to join the rotation, but you think we should band together and force them into the way we want to play while they have a perfectly viable option to play they want in the competitive class?

I don't....I'm sorry Deru I straight up don't understand your logic. I'm not at all attempting to be inflammatory but I just...I don't understand what you're trying to say.

1) Don't base your entire argument during the raid talks on not forcing play styles, and then try to force your play style on Doljon by telling them to GTFO. What you seem to be misunderstanding is that I personally do not care about this whole 'forcing of play styles' thing. I don't think any of the staff does. We just want everyone to have a shot at content. But you guys as a whole do, and made a very big deal about it very recently, so to hear certain people screaming for this to happen is hypocrisy at it's finest.

2) Players should enforce player rotations. This means impose your own sanctions on guilds who don't fall in line. Doljon trying to snipe a CT that was supposed to go to Taken? Port BDA up and zerg that shit in 3 seconds. Going for an Indignation Maestro? Bring up AG and knock him out before they can even mobilize. Make them play your game, or not get content. EQ capitalism at it's best.

[Jaxon]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even if they didn't ask, this doesn't change my stance that telling Doljon to play your way or GTFO of Class R is hypocritical and wrong, which is what my responses in this thread have been about.

Which goes to show that you have failed to understand the R position, which is why everyone is sitting here laughing at you.

There are guilds that want to experience content without having to race other players, and guilds that want to stomp face. The issue central to the talks was the segregation of these classes and how much of a share of raid content each would get. Asking Bob to leave the R mobs alone until they're prepared to join the rotation is in line with this philosophy and is in no way hypocritical.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Jaxon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which goes to show that you have failed to understand the R position, which is why everyone is sitting here laughing at you.

There are guilds that want to experience content without having to race other players, and guilds that want to stomp face. The issue central to the talks was the segregation of these classes and how much of a share of raid content each would get. Asking Bob to leave the R mobs alone until they're prepared to join the rotation is in line with this philosophy and is in no way hypocritical.

I think you fail to understand that the raid agreements were not based upon a philosophy of different sides or the playstyles of different sides - they took place because of the practical fact that only 3 guilds were killing shit for years.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by compavik

Sounds like deru's saying we should band together to enforce the player made sky rotation, but not the player made class r rotation

Originally Posted by Derubael

This means impose your own sanctions on guilds who don't fall in line. Doljon trying to snipe a CT that was supposed to go to Taken? Port BDA up and zerg that shit in 3 seconds. Going for an Indignation Maestro? Bring up AG and knock him out before they can even mobilize. Make them play your game, or not get content. EQ capitalism at it's best.

uh. what?

Originally Posted by Jaxon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which goes to show that you have failed to understand the R position, which is why everyone is sitting here laughing at you.

There are guilds that want to experience content without having to race other players, and guilds that want to stomp face. The issue central to the talks was the segregation of these classes and how much of a share of raid content each would get. Asking Bob to leave the R mobs alone until they're prepared to join the rotation is in line with this philosophy and is in no way hypocritical.

And here's where I bow out, because you're never going to get it.

Asking Doljon to play a certain way AT ALL is hypocritical.

More importantly, these talks were never about segregation. It was about letting everyone experience content. What you think it was about and what it was actually about are two entirely different things. If these talks had been entirely player driven and created, it would be acceptable to make your own reasoning as to why they took place. Unfortunately, they were not, so please don't tell me what the central issue was when you had no part in getting them started in the first place. If this was about what you say it was about, Rogean would have enforced a rotation on Class R.

Good day, sirs. I have made my point, it is valid, if you do not get it, please re-read then /facepalm.

[Yaolin]

I just wanted to thank everyone for the 22,500+ views of this thread in 48 hours... it's clear we all need to find something else to do =/ and everyone needs to stop being assholes and stop using the "We're just being competitive, that doesn't make us assholes." excuse.

[Derubael]

We kicked everyone off raiding because no one could agree on anything when we forced people to make an arrangement for the raid scene.

We forced people to make an arrangement for the raid scene because we wanted everyone to have a chance to experience content.

It never had anything to do with forcing play styles.

[Aaron]

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[phacemeltar]

there can be no peace?

[Comapavik]

Sounds like deru's saying we should band together to enforce the player made sky rotation, but not the player made class r rotation. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I get that this is not your real job, and you are free to say whatever you want here, but you should probably realize that your words carry a little more weight here than everyone else's. Whether or not you intended to, you are provoking lord bob into pulling more shenanigans. Maybe lay off the trolling and stay out of issues that are purely between players unless you're just trying to stir up shit. Or use a troll account like everyone else.

[Man0warr]

No one told Lord Bob to GTFO - you can't find one piece of evidence except for some convo you had with Hyjal.

No guild said they couldn't join Sky Rotation, no Class R guild denied them a place in negotiations or Class R rotation spot.

Stop saying it, you are just being inflammatory at this point.