Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Joroz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every proposed tier system so far is about follow these rules for this mob but not on this one cause it has more value to this guild... agreement needs to present opportunities instead of continuing to promote who can park enough toons at all the "high" priority targets and log them in for 5 minutes at any given notice to kill a raid mob, get the loot on a toon that will... gasp be logged out at another raid target and never actually played. Gearing toons to camp out to get more gear for toons to camp out... see where this is going... camping out a mob isn't raiding... its called being an asshole.

Read the system I propose. You still have to track and know when your mob spawns. Getting to a mob and pulling it in 2 hours isn't hard. You still have to work if you want to kill these things.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, I know this won't be popular before I type it, but I think it is the only system that will work to solve all the problems until Velious when discussions will need to be had again. This isn't a bandaid this is a fix. The reason it will work is because it is simple and easy to follow and understand for even the outside observer.You have to move to a tier based system with as many guilds as there are. Yes rotating some of the mobs will be a part of it and the competition will be held largely at the top end of the raid mobs. The system is as follows.

Veeshan's Peak- Several rules about this zone. If you raid it Naggy and Vox is off limits to your guild. There is no 2 hour wait on spawns inside this zone. There is no rotation on this zone. It stays FFA. Track/Batphone/GET FTE/Kill.

Trakanon- Stays FFA. Track/Batphone/Get FTE/Kill. I know this is going to be one of the unpopular choices to some of the guilds. But you have to EARN your way into VP.

All other Epic piece mobs are on a tiered system which I will list.

Fay
INNY
Sev
VS
CT

If your guild wants to kill these mobs and haven't before they have to request for a spot on Fay. To move to the next mob on the rotation they must kill Fay 2 times cleanly. This will be the case for each mob on the list. You will still have to track and know when your Fay spawns. If 2 hours passes the mob becomes FFA to the entire server and you miss your spot on the rotation. Any guild that kills a FFA mob because of a missed kill by a guild retains their spot on that mobs rotation. There is a reward for knowing when the mob spawns and when 2 hours has passed if a guild fails to mobilize in the time given. If your guild misses the mob 2 times on the rotation you lose your spot on that mobs rotation.

Draco/Maestro/Gore/Tal- all stay FFA. Track it/Batphone it/Mobilize/Kill them

Naggy/Vox- My ideal solution for these 2 would be Weekly serverwide raids for guilds not competing for Mobs in VP. When they are found up. Shout it in EC/Post it on the forums and anyone wanting to participate in the kills get to Solb/Permafrost. That however is up to the guilds not competing in VP to decide. However I think some of the funnest raids I attended when I started playing EQ were the ones people threw together and complete strangers came together to get the mob killed. Would be a nice weekly event for the server.

Kinda cool. What comes after Fay for progressing guilds? Inny? Or whatever they want added to the rot for?

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kinda cool. What comes after Fay for progressing guilds?

Fay
Inny
Sev
VS
CT

[baramur]

1st-8th of every month TMO/IB/FE on raid break hosting keggers at Tasslehoff and Alartis house. Problem solved. Rest of server can rejoice for 1 week a month!!!!!!!!!

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by baramur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1st-8th of every month TMO/IB/FE on raid break hosting keggers at Tasslehoff and Alartis house. Problem solved. Rest of server can rejoice for 1 week a month!!!!!!!!!

Byob, and if you puke at my house you better clean that shit up yo.

[Bossman]

And the thing that really kills me is that the majority of TMO seems to want competition. If you guys want competition then why the fuck did you try to block VP off for so long? Where is the competition in having the best raid zone currently in the game uncontested?

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Bossman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And the thing that really kills me is that the majority of TMO seems to want competition. If you guys want competition then why the fuck did you try to block VP off for so long? Where is the competition in having the best raid zone in the game currently uncontested?

TMO wants someone to do what TMO did. However, the only people willing to do what TMO did are/were in TMO.

Some in TMO just want the loot, so they don't want real competition.

Those two goals line up.

[Bossman]

If TMO wants competition then why do they camp alt armies out at spawn points? How fast you can log in is not competing

[quido]

Current raid practices such as pre-camping are the result of a sort of EQ Arms Race that has been going on for years.

Anyone remember when VS didn't get poopsocked or did only very rarely?

Anyone remember when Trak didn't get pre-camped?

Luckily it doesn't get to spawnsocking often, but if people want things like that to de-escalate, the #2/#3 forces need to match instead of justifying the continued behavior with a greater need for gear.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Bossman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If TMO wants competition then why do they camp alt armies out at spawn points? How fast you can log in is not competing

Only way to remove that is to wipe the server and ban account sales from day 1 on the new one.