Discussion on R99 vs VZTZ **POSTPONED**

[Dullah]

im so happy my pain amuses you

[Aenor]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think that isnt exactly what would happen you clearly haven't been playing the same server I have.

I don't doubt that Nihi would still get the bulk of the raid mobs, but here's the real question. Would Nihilum have its current stranglehold on the server if Rogean had taken the same action against Nihilum that he took against Holocaust? Because I can tell you, if the punishment had been equal, the population wouldn't have dropped from 600 to 100 in a matter of days. Also check your PMs. Big Narg needs gear to lead the resistance so people have a reason to play on this server.

[heartbrand]

Meet at nfp bank later, pm me your best times. As far as the holo ban, pop was already going down the shitter at that point, we were seeing double digit daytime pop, and max of 200 prime time. While the holo ban was dumb and certainly hurt the server, most of the people that quit were never all that immersed to begin with, or are still playing here.

Edit: the better question is, what would have happened bad we killed naggy legit that time when sojourner manastoned to low health aggro and wiped us at 3%.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by One Tin Soldier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll add my 2 cents even though I know it's pointless and I'll probably be ridiculed for it.

I'm one of those casual, off-and-on, type of players who petered out on this server. I think I got up to level 30 something, can't remember for sure right now.

So what would have helped to keep me around?

Teams. Yes hardcoded teams. I don't care if it's just two teams; good versus evil or if it were each starting city as a separate team but there need to be teams.

Motivation to kill other players. Some reward for pvp kills would be nice. Also some way to at least hope to be competitive at high levels even though my casual self will never ever ever ever get even one tiny little item from a raid. These two problems could both be solved by allowing item loot (with no exceptions) or by rewarding points for pvp kills which then could be used to buy high end items. Yes, there are problems. Work the problems out, I'm not going to write a book here.

Those three things would have encouraged me to stick around a lot longer. If they were implemented I would come back for another try.

This server is tailored towards more hardcore players. People that are against teams on this server are blind to the experience for a casual player. The argument against teams is that you can already pick your teams using guilds but the reality is that if you want a good crew to go around with you have to play A LOT and be in vent/teamspeak with people on a daily basis. Even inside a guild a casual will be somewhat isolated and good groups will be stolen/horded by the people with high play times because even then good exp groups are limited.

Teams usually funnel players to certain leveling spots and people from all guilds on a team will band together to kill an intruder. It does allow for casuals to get groups easier. I think the population right now has the same hardcore group of players that never really quit along with a temporary influx of casuals.

Motivation to kill others is tricky. Losing exp enticed players to kill opposing guild members but the exp loss ended up being too harsh. Adding item loot sounds great and I would personally enjoy it if it didn't kill the population (I guarantee players from blue wouldn't even consider the server). Any kind of pvp points for gear/rewards is a negative to me for many reasons. The current system with coin and recognition from yellow text and the player made website is decent enough for me. While everyone may have an optimal rule set this one seems to be a good balance that everyone can tolerate and it won't hurt the population.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by NotKringe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was being facetious, I think realistically it reset 3 times during a 3-4 week timeframe in which we were pushing mobs back.... You are still dodging a few things..... HB if you were on the outside how would this all look to you?

Let's recap...

1) There is already a bad notion going for Nihilum, because a member of Nihilum is allowed to implement changes (or atleast have a ear in the ones who can impact said changes) which to me should just simply not exist.. (I realize the guy wants to play and enjoy the game, and he rightfully should be able to do so) but this would be the same as Nilbog having a toon and raiding consistently with TMO on blue... (not so much to the power he has but you get the picture)... Nihilum will always be fighting a uphill battle as long as this is allowed to continue... It just sets for a bad precedence on the server that is already struggling for integrity issues...
2) You still have yet show me a consistent "42 day Server Reset Policy" that has been enforced over the past 2 years, that coincidently resurfaces when you guys are losing raid mobs (Like I said I seriously doubt Rogean could give a fuck, but explaining this to 30 other people in TS is rather difficult) This also follows under #1.
3) You constantly flip flop, stating how you are a proponent for server integrity and welcome competition but yet you fuel the machine that drives this...


I never once stated variance was good, I do think however it would allow for some smaller guilds to steal a Inno or a Faydedar here and there, which could set off a chain of events to challenge other things...

But who knows..

Main point to all of this was your zerg alliance hit one bump and fell apart. Nihilum has hit many bumps along the way and we are still here going strong.

Read into that whatever you want.

[Nirgon]

Yeah that 100% xp bonus with no one else on the box for months bump really hurt. Way to recover.

Think of all the pain caused by having to log in and do full VP clears because of 3 42 day server resets in 2 weeks.

[Rokannis]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Main point to all of this was your zerg alliance hit one bump and fell apart. Nihilum has hit many bumps along the way and we are still here going strong.

Read into that whatever you want.

Main point is, you've proved to be a fucking idiot in every post.

[heals4reals]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Main point to all of this was your zerg alliance hit one bump and fell apart. Nihilum has hit many bumps along the way and we are still here going strong.

Read into that whatever you want.

1 bump lol.

Honestly take ur helmet off it might so u good to reduce the presure.

Non nihilum probably try harde at this game than anyone especially someone like u that buys a PL to 60 and gets handed everything and knows 0 about server politics and history.

Hiding exp groups fighting under geared and under leveled and continueing to play despite the constant hurdles and unfavorable decisions.

Those r the ones that keep this box from hitting 30 man solo guild box. Not u. So why don't you thank me, thank azrael, thank force and foH and everyone else.

[Elderan]

1 bump lol.

Honestly take ur helmet off it might so u good to reduce the presure.

Non nihilum probably try harde at this game than anyone especially someone like u that buys a PL to 60 and gets handed everything and knows 0 about server politics and history.

My post referred to almost nothing you talked about.

I leveled in SOLB with a friend from blue (node now) pretty much to 55 then to 60 in guild groups and raids. Not sure what you are referring to.

Hiding exp groups fighting under geared and under leveled and continueing to play despite the constant hurdles and unfavorable decisions.

Those r the ones that keep this box from hitting 30 man solo guild box. Not u. So why don't you thank me, thank azrael, thank force and foH and everyone else.

What other guilds do is only my concern when it interferes with my guild. At that point I will take action as I have in the past.

My guild comes first in this game, as it always has in EQ.

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah that 100% xp bonus with no one else on the box for months bump really hurt. Way to recover.

Think of all the pain caused by having to log in and do full VP clears because of 3 42 day server resets in 2 weeks.

Sad thing is, nihilum barely manages to get enough people together on sundays to do VP, let alone random times during the week. None of those resets allowed nihilum to do vp any more than the one time a week they normally did it.