Asking a favor from the two top guilds on the server

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Thana8088 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People will track the mobs they want something from.
Although I am sure TMO was at fault for the BDA/FE Maestro fiasco today, we weren't there. We weren't tracking him. In fact, we haven't been tracking a few things lately.

Noone said TMO had anything to do with it. But I will now. TMO wasn't there this morning, but they are responsible for the raid scene being what it is. If it weren't for TMO, FE wouldn't be FE.

[Sephyre]

From the outside looking in, the state of endgame raiding on this server kills the drive to get to 60 a bit.

The people with the most time on their hands are always going to be on top, but if waking up at 3AM to kill a mob a few minutes after it spawns, while praying your puller threw the first javelin, is how it's always going to be then forget that.

It's something that comes up a lot in exp groups (especially in the 40s and 50s when the number of people levelling up thins out quite a bit).

The chatter is pretty much consistently 'you have to join TMO or FE and wake up at all hours if you want to kill raid mobs'.

Variance only helps the guilds at the top stay there, as only they are going to be willing to kill mobs at 3AM with batphones and 24/7 tracking. Effectively forcing others to become the same thing in order to compete.

Even when a smaller guild is in fear/hate and a lower tier raid mob spawns, TMO/FE are just running over the top to get there.

Good on them both for having the resources/effort to do that, but they shouldn't really get the boost from the server rules that variance gives them.

It should really be simulated full patch respawns, no variance, FTE shout.

Sure, the top guilds may deliberately kill something so it respawns at 3AM to keep others from it, but it gets cleared with the patch respawn anyway.

If the smaller guilds know something is going to spawn at 6pm, they are more likely to be able to show up and take a shot at it (standing shoulder to shoulder with TMO and FE) rather than knowing it will spawn 'sometime' between 9am and 6pm that day.

Plus the full patch days will give smaller guilds something to aim for, rather than nothing.



Alternatively, leave everything as is, focus on getting Velious out and release a brand new server at the same time tagged with 'rotation server'.

Let the community administer the rotations on the new server (bans for guilds that break it, with community providing the proof) and you'll have a place for the endgame guilds who can 24/7 powergame (eg: here) as well as those who would like to play classic Everquest without waking up at 3AM to do it.

[Freakish]

Right. It's totally feasible for me to track Innoruuk for 96 hours(+24 hours repeating if it falls within the last 15% of spawn window).

These are guild efforts. I've tracked Faydedar as a necromancer. Don't need anything. I've had druids track Inny. As far as I know, not a single thing drops from Inny for them. To track these mobs and have an effort at them requires effort from a LOT of people. Which is why these huge guilds exist.

Here is a thread from those who don't have the resources to do this. And your response is, sorry we need everything, but if you want your epic piece please deposit 200,000-500,000 platinum into our bank.

[Xadion]

no

[TheLieka]

Haters. They gon hate.

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

kill the king.

Kind of sad really, as from my minor interactions with the king, he seemed like a reasonable guy.

But...off with his head!

[Lyra]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

honestly i feel bad for people whose entire raid experience is based on non competitive rotations.

I experienced both. While participating in the rotations, I didn't feel like anything was lacking in my gaming experience. I was immersed in my guild experience, and I didn't care what anyone else was doing. Our accomplishments weren't diminished by what other guilds were doing.

I've always said, if you weren't world first, you weren't first. I've never been world first (although I think my guild became world first after I quit EQ)

I did experience server firsts, and they do hold special memories, but all it is now is memories...

I think I read you came from a PvP environment. A lot of the population doesn't play competitive against other players. I'm only playing against the content.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Lyra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I experienced both. While participating in the rotations, I didn't feel like anything was lacking in my gaming experience. I was immersed in my guild experience, and I didn't care what anyone else was doing. Our accomplishments weren't diminished by what other guilds were doing.
I think I read you came from a PvP environment. A lot of the population doesn't play competitive against other players. I'm only playing against the content.

you just touched on something i was talking about in a R99 thread. but you're correct, theres more than one way to skin a cat, just like there's more than one way to play EQ. and that doesn't mean one style is better or worse, nor does it mean one style is right and one style is wrong. one of the best things about EQ is that you can play the game just about anyway you want and still manage to have fun.

so if you're having fun, all the more power to you! because that's all that matters. but if you are not having fun, (and im not singling you or anyone else out, just saying in general terms) then that player needs to make some changes. maybe those changes involve how they play the game, or maybe those changes involve killing the king, and starting new rules.

but to be blunt, this is not Skyrim where the entire world is your oyster and exists only to make you (again, not picking on "you", i'm using the word in general terms) feel happy and make the player feel special. In EQ and on p99, other players will in deed have a huge impact on the world around you and whats available. because in EQ, nobody is special (except for nilbog).

[slappytwotoes]

Hey Sirken.. would it be beating a dead horse to bring up server repops?

They would force the same solution this thread is asking for. Once a month seems reasonable.

Revolutions are ugly, bloody and require sacrifice... I don't think the peasants are discontented enough for revolt.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by slappytwotoes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey Sirken.. would it be beating a dead horse to bring up server repops?
They would force the same solution this thread is asking for. Once a month seems reasonable.
Revolutions are ugly, bloody and require sacrifice... I don't think the peasants are discontented enough for revolt.

absolutely not! i think simulated patch days (full repops) are a truly great idea that will benefit a very high majority of players. im pretty certain Nilbog and Rogean feel the same way based off last weeks staff meeting. but there are still some details we would like to iron out internally before we make any final decisions on it.

and you'd be surprised what the "peasants" are ready for, everybody has a breaking point, even the "peasants"