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[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The RnF warriors keep saying things like this to absolve themselves, in their own mind, from acknowledging the vitriol they spew and encourage in RnF is digested and used in game and on the forums to breed hatred and animosity amongst the raiding population creating a vicious cycle.

Explain live servers then? There wasnt an RnF forum there, yet the majority of top guilds on any server was hated on by select factions of the server anyways.

People will always hate the people on top. You are attributing too much power into RnF's hands. I bet a majority of the BDA and FE hate me. I also bet that they dont transcribe my actions or words to represent all of TMO.

Stop acting like everyone on this server is stupid.

[Happyfeet]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Explain live servers then? There wasnt an RnF forum there, yet the majority of top guilds on any server was hated on by select factions of the server anyways.

People will always hate the people on top. You are attributing too much power into RnF's hands. I bet a majority of the BDA and FE hate me. I also bet that they dont transcribe my actions or words to represent all of TMO.

Stop acting like everyone on this server is stupid.

Actually the RNF was the TMO website on Fennin lol. Eat a Bag of Hell, still one of the greatest forum names ever.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Happyfeet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually the RNF was the TMO website on Fennin lol. Eat a Bag of Hell, still one of the greatest forum names ever.

Ya All the uber guilds had a rants depository. But it was just people trying to insane things to make the front page update

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stop acting like everyone on this server is stupid.

No one's saying that everyone here is stupid. Do not presume to put words into his mouth.

The point Elethia and I share is, and always has been,that RnF activity is a negative externality upon the server. In lay terms, every instance of thoughtless and trollesque activity has the potential to foment resentment and conflict, while simultaneously possessing no redemptive qualities whatsoever.

Again, we find it telling how quickly the most vociferous and active RnF participants move to defend their activities as harmless.

Even if RnF is ultimately harmless, the Ring of Gyges has yet again been donned, and Plato's fears proven well founded.

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FE = Doesn't like TMO, will never like TMO, can't like TMO.

TMO = Doesn't like FE, will never like FE, can't like FE.

BDA = Doesn't really care about FE or TMO, will never really care about FE or TMO, can't really ever care about FE or TMO.


Why are things this way?

1) TMO and FE want to be Top Dogs, there is only one Top Dog space. You can't like your competition.

2) BDA doesn't care about being Top Dogs. However, they don't want to lose people to the guilds fighting for Top Dog spot and they want to keep their dogs fed.

Thus, you get animosity. People naturally start hating people that aren't with them (If you're not with me, you're against me) and naturally conflicts arise.

I've never played the game the same way I've played the forums. Most people know that, most people that played the forums also played the same way in-game as I did. Only ones I remember that were the same on the forums as they were in game (hostility wise) were VD members and 1, maybe 2, IB guys (not counting some of our own).

You can't be Top Dog and best buds with your rival and still have competition. It's not going to happen. Sooner or later, that best bud is going to get tired of losing.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Explain live servers then? There wasnt an RnF forum there, yet the majority of top guilds on any server was hated on by select factions of the server anyways.

People will always hate the people on top. You are attributing too much power into RnF's hands.

Are you serious?

Most servers had their own public forum run by the community, some had two or more competing forums. Many of those forums includes RnF sections and top end guilds included RnF drama sections, so what are you talking about?

I don't disagree that people vilify the person or object they want to overcome, but to purposefully fuel that fire when you are that person or object is not productive in reaching a solution to our current server's issues.

I bet a majority of the BDA and FE hate me. I also bet that they dont transcribe my actions or words to represent all of TMO.

You can believe all you want that your conduct on RnF doesn't translate or shape to people's impressions of your guild and guildmates, but it does.

Stop acting like everyone on this server is stupid.

Please point out where I said or implied this, or is this just something you wanted to throw in there? You should know better with all those logic books you read.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one's saying that everyone here is stupid. Do not presume to put words into his mouth.

The point Elethia and I share is, and always has been,that RnF activity is a negative externality upon the server. In lay terms, every instance of thoughtless and trollesque activity has the potential to foment resentment and conflict, while simultaneously possessing no redemptive qualities whatsoever.

Again, we find it telling how quickly the most vociferous and active RnF participants move to defend their activities as harmless.

Even if RnF is ultimately harmless, the Ring of Gyges has yet again been donned, and Plato's fears proven well founded.

So you are saying that if you attack and I defend it proves your point? This isn't logical at all.

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People are going to hate each other, with or without RnF.


I imagine you've all seen those passive aggressive /ooc or /shout comments that guilds love to post (some of the RnF haters have even participated in).

Without RnF, it would just be worse in-game.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you are saying that if you attack and I defend it proves your point? This isn't logical at all.

He didn't say that. You have really got to stop twisting people's words to suit the argument you want to rebut. You have a nasty habit of doing that.

You assuming you can say what you want without consequences because this is RnF is illogical.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you serious?

Most servers had their own public forum run by the community, some had two or more competing forums. Many of those forums includes RnF sections and top end guilds included RnF drama sections, so what are you talking about?

I don't disagree that people vilify the person or object they want to overcome, but to purposefully fuel that fire when you are that person or object is not productive in reaching a solution to our current server's issues.



You can believe all you want that your conduct on RnF doesn't translate or shape to people's impressions of your guild and guildmates, but it does.



Please point out where I said or implied this, or is this just something you wanted to throw in there? You should know better with all those logic books you read.

And a marginal porportion of the server population participated in them. RnF is not here to be a solution to server issues. If you have a solution don't post it here?

You can believe all you want that my conduct on RnF doesn't translate or shape people's impressions of your guild and guildmates, but it doesn't.

You implied that people take RnF as fact. Anyone who would believe that would have to be stupid.