Are you kidding me?

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Fazlazen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can one lease a crown of rile character for in-game currency?

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You could follow someone clicking it. Come now Patsy, RnF is a silly place.

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

fucking lol'd hard

[jcr4990]

I honestly can't even believe people are seriously promoting the idea that progressing through VP and farming multiple crowns before being able to contest Velious targets is reasonable.

Are these people batshit insane or am I on drugs?

[Maner]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I honestly can't even believe people are seriously promoting the idea that progressing through VP and farming multiple crowns before being able to contest Velious targets is reasonable.

Are these people batshit insane or am I on drugs?

I never said that crowns should be usable, in fact I said the entire racing idea was dumb in my opinion. I just think using the argument that developers didn't put in the crown so people could get FTEs is stupid, as this entire racing idea isn't something the developers planned for either.

As far a logical progression goes, anon already admitted they don't have the keys for VP. So they aren't willing to put forth the time to key themselves and progress through the content that is there, why should they demand that everything be changed in ToV to cater to them as well? Why aren't they also demanding that the VP key be taken away so that anyone can zone in, isn't that the same type of argument?

If you're guild cant even commit 20 people to kill trak then where do you get off demanding that you deserve the same chance as everyone else at the best ToV mobs?

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never said that crowns should be usable, in fact I said the entire racing idea was dumb in my opinion. I just think using the argument that developers didn't put in the crown so people could get FTEs is stupid, as this entire racing idea isn't something the developers planned for either.

As far a logical progression goes, anon already admitted they don't have the keys for VP. So they aren't willing to put forth the time to key themselves and progress through the content that is there, why should they demand that everything be changed in ToV to cater to them as well? Why aren't they also demanding that the VP key be taken away so that anyone can zone in, isn't that the same type of argument?

If you're guild cant even commit 20 people to kill trak then where do you get off demanding that you deserve the same chance as everyone else at the best ToV mobs?

Originally Posted by Freakish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no problem with people using crowns, DA idols, shadowstep masks and whatever ingenious new strategy they find to be able to win a foot race. It's a stupid way to determine who gets the mob no matter who wins, time is wasted and i'd rather just turn everything into a Noble type situation with no variance. Hell, put a 2 person limit on jav spamming and give everything a 1 hour variance, still better than making people stare at the screen with nothing happening for 2/3 of the day.

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And that is due to you, is it?



You are aware that the top guilds have a gear advantage gained long before you even joined the server that permits them to do this where smaller casual guilds cannot, and therefore can always engage earlier than they can in coth races?



Did you get your VP keys with a guild that is still trying to get regular Trak keys and can't field a full VP raid or did you stand on the shoulders of those who came before you?



On the contrary I greatly enjoy reading how summer children such as yourself (someone who reaps the benefits of things that happened long before you ever looted your first rusty dagger) deserve things so much more than other people while being utterly unaware that you are completely interchangeable with any of those filthy casuals you look down on without anyone blinking an eye. The ironic thing is you actually think it's OTHER people who want things handed to them after pretty much embodying it yourself. Heh.

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I literally said in the next line that I never soloed trak, I have tracked him though so yes, on the kills I was there tracking and one of the first 10 cothed, yes, it was partly because of me.

I got my VP key in a guild that was still actively going after trak for keys to get into VP yes, indignation to be specific. So where is that gear advantage you were talking about? I got my key in indignation when we killed trak with 20 people.

I don't know where I said I personally deserve anything. I was nothing but another warm body for the people who had been here for years to use when I joined AM. Since then I have come to comprehend how the raid scene works and how to best use my time to benefit my guild. I am sorry that for some reason this line of thinking is offensive to you, I never claimed to be anything more than I am. you just apparently have the comprehension of a liberal.

When I joined AM I had 50% RA but RL and repops happened and now I am working to try and bring my attendance back up to a respectable level. I never put in for a Loot council item when it was just forsaken, and I haven't even bid on anything in months. I don't consider myself "hardcore", I show up to raids when I am at home and the batphone goes off, or I just shrug it off to real life and don't worry.

It is however pretty eye opening seeing how upset this game makes you. Perhaps you should take a step back and find a better direction to take your life.

embarrassing posts

[Freakish]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

embarrassing posts

Really don't care what someone sucking on a butt plug has to say.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

anon already admitted they don't have the keys for VP.

Pretty sure that's exactly what they're working on right now. You're saying they shouldn't be able to contest anything in Velious til they're fully VP keyed? So once they're all keyed they can contest? Or do they have to kill a dragon first? Multiple dragons? All of them? How many times each?

Just wanna be clear on what arbitrary bullshit barriers to entry we're talking about.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure that's exactly what they're working on right now. You're saying they shouldn't be able to contest anything in Velious til they're fully VP keyed? So once they're all keyed they can contest? Or do they have to kill a dragon first? Multiple dragons? All of them? How many times each?

Just wanna be clear on what arbitrary bullshit barriers to entry we're talking about.

What barriers at entry? my argument is with them saying its too much work so they don't bother but then demanding everyone else cater to them not wanting to do the work. There is no barrier to compete in ToV, there wasn't a barrier before and there isn't one now. The only "barrier" apparently is that you or your guild doesn't have enough crowns to compete. So yet again, those with the items are forced not to use them, due to those unwilling to put forth the effort to get them.

The only barriers that were in place "restricting" ToV were those barriers implemented by the casual guilds. The same excuses they used to get the rules changed to racing, are the same excuses they used to convince themselves that they have some right to ToV without having to put forth as much effort as others.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The same excuses they used to get the rules changed to racing

Uhh.. Pretty sure Detoxx was one of the major pushers for the racing rules we currently have unless I'm mistaken? These forums were lit up by post after post from certain A/A members basically saying "Hey casuals us good A/A guys have decided to throw u a bone and push for these racing rules to even the playing field" when we all know it was because they were burning out doing things the way they had been doing them and wanted to lessen their own burden. But it seems to have backfired a bit on them with unlimited racers making racing more work than cothing but that's besides the point.

I don't know what "casuals" you're talking about that were pushing for these racing rules. Chest has been very openly vocal about his dislike for them since they were first put on the table. At first I honestly thought they might be a good solution but facts are facts. Outside of earthquakes how many "racing" targets have gone to a guild outside A/A? Anon got 1 statue FTE with an EXTREMELY lucky bow proc from a mile away. I think LITERALLY every other target since the birth of new race rules has gone to A/A. Correct me if I'm wrong? I may have missed one or two. But even if I did the point still stands. It's obviously not "leveling the playing field" like it was intended to.

[Freakish]

I have no problem with people using crowns, DA idols, shadowstep masks and whatever ingenious new strategy they find to be able to win a foot race. It's a stupid way to determine who gets the mob no matter who wins, time is wasted and i'd rather just turn everything into a Noble type situation with no variance. Hell, put a 2 person limit on jav spamming and give everything a 1 hour variance, still better than making people stare at the screen with nothing happening for 2/3 of the day.

[Xaanka]

not reading any of this blue shit about foot races JESUS christ u guys need to get laid once in a while or find some kind of happiness in your lives that isnt tied to a dying emulated elf game