Upcoming change to class epics

[ergo]

Originally Posted by Toodles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems totally out of line compared to straight up weapons which can be equipped at 46.
They should adjust all the effects/spells of epics to start at 46 as well.

No epic should have a level requirement. You can go to alakhazam right now and see that right now as of today, no epic has a level requirement on it. This is a non-classic nerf to epics because rogues, as that is the only class is really affected.

A shaman cant click his till 46 so not a real problem there. A cleric cannot click theirs till 50 so no a problem there.

A rogue can backstab with it lv 5 and above and do amazing dps +40% haste.

The reason they did it has nothing to do with it being classic. Or having to go planes (see cleric epic walkthrough for the lack of any planar raid required) those were the bs excuses given.

There is more evidence that shrink should work in unrest(and every god damn dungeon) documented on this site than the evidence used to justify the nerf to epics and they still havent fixed that. They even said their was conflicting reports, but decided to nerf epics anyway.

Just understand they are gonna do whatever they wanna do. Classic or not doesn't matter.


http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=4066

Ragebringer

MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE PLACEABLE
Slot: PRIMARY SECONDARY
Skill: Piercing Atk Delay: 25
DMG: 15 Dmg Bonus: 26
Backstab DMG: 15
This item is placeable in yards, guild yards, houses and guild halls.
STR: +20 DEX: +10 STA: +10 AGI: +10 HP: +100
SV DISEASE: +10 SV MAGIC: +20 SV POISON: +20
Attack: +40 Haste: +40%
Effect: Seething Fury (Worn, Casting Time: Instant)
WT: 2.5 Size: SMALL
Class: ROG
Race: ALL except ERU HIE TRL OGR IKS
Slot 1, Type 4 (Weapon: General)
Slot 2, Type 20 (Ornamentation)


If they wanted to make the quest undoable by a lv 1, sure I get that. Make the QUEST NPC not talk to you till 46 or eat the dagger if you arent lv 46+ and tried to turn in it, THAT would be classic.

The actual change to the item is bs. They wanted to retroactively nerf everyone with an epic under 46 and that is what they did.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They wanted to retroactively nerf everyone with an epic under 46 and that is what they did.

You are 100% right about one thing, independent of the fact that the rest of your post was just rambling nonsense. This is a nerf to all characters that have purchased MQed epics before they were the appropriate level. This is intended.

It is easy enough to work around, though. Get 46.

[Kutsumo]

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really is frustrating but I guess if that was what they had to do then /shrug Swiftwind and Earthcaller will just stay in my bags on my ranger and ill never bother logging him in again.

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Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason they did it has nothing to do with it being classic. Or having to go planes (see cleric epic walkthrough for the lack of any planar raid required) those were the bs excuses given.

Again, here is the direct quote. "Additionally, we feel that acquiring an epic weapon should only be possible when a player has become powerful enough to cross interplanar portals."

He's not saying that all epics require planar travel. He's saying that they feel you should be POWERFUL ENOUGH to cross interplanar portals before attaining your epic. Your statement in no way invalidates this.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are arguing for the sake of arguing at this point Samoht.

And you have a tendency towards defending dumbasses just for the sake of defending dumbasses. Let me show you why you should stop. Here's the direct quote from ergo (again):

Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No epic should have a level requirement. You can go to alakhazam right now and see that right now as of today, no epic has a level requirement on it.

Time-line = right now (emphasis = mine). Not Kunark era. He goes on to post this:

Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=4066

Ragebringer

MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE PLACEABLE
Slot: PRIMARY SECONDARY
Skill: Piercing Atk Delay: 25
DMG: 15 Dmg Bonus: 26
Backstab DMG: 15
This item is placeable in yards, guild yards, houses and guild halls.
STR: +20 DEX: +10 STA: +10 AGI: +10 HP: +100
SV DISEASE: +10 SV MAGIC: +20 SV POISON: +20
Attack: +40 Haste: +40%
Effect: Seething Fury (Worn, Casting Time: Instant)
WT: 2.5 Size: SMALL
Class: ROG
Race: ALL except ERU HIE TRL OGR IKS
Slot 1, Type 4 (Weapon: General)
Slot 2, Type 20 (Ornamentation)

Please tell me you see the problem with using this as the example. Fatestealer is the appropriate response.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Toodles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems totally out of line compared to straight up weapons which can be equipped at 46.
They should adjust all the effects/spells of epics to start at 46 as well.

It's classic, though. With planes participation, epics could only be completed at 46. Despite that, the clickies could only be clicked starting at 50.

[Toodles]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's classic, though. With planes participation, epics could only be completed at 46. Despite that, the clickies could only be clicked starting at 50.

The issue is magnified by the fact that there is/was no conclusive evidence to support the change to make epics have a level equip requirement.

AND that they waited all these years to implement it.
AND they only did it to introduce some 'balance' to the server.

If balance was an issue, then maybe they should have never implemented MQs.


So after all this, the least they could do would be amend the casts /effects on weapons to match their equip level. This attempt to honor 'classic' is so laughable it's sickening.

[Seltius]

Really is frustrating but I guess if that was what they had to do then /shrug Swiftwind and Earthcaller will just stay in my bags on my ranger and ill never bother logging him in again.

[Ele]

wow, still salty

[ergo]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wow, still salty

Still 100% right.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by ergo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still 100% right.

Still 100% not your server.