Raid Suspension: The Mystical Order

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since IB sucks so bad and can't train shit, and wait's for TMO to do it, so don't train shit. Sounds like a pretty good plan to out play them without leaving a window open of petition quest.

If anything use the argument of case #TMOvsTaken_Hate.

TMO ran up to inny's room past Taken's pull team and a 1 group at the ramp. Trained everything out of the room+inny over Taken, and FDed all the mobs on them. Killed them, and the rest of their raid running to the ramp. It was clear as day that the pull was only done to wipe Taken. Sirken ruled that Taken was at fault for moving into the path of the pull and nothing was done about the 15+ dead bodies.

Why that is ok, and you guys training shit across each other and causing aggro makes no sense to me. Whoever your rule lawyer is didn't remember that one in the case book to argue.

I never said IB sucks. Please don't quote me and then put words in my mouth. I do have respect for most of IB and their pullers.

The reason the dragons are moved and we choose to pull past them, is that despite IB being worse at moving them. We do not risk PD, ever. They have the capability of moving the dragons too, whether it's likely or not.

Using precedent? Hilarious idea. As if cases are handled with any kind of consistency or logic on this server. We ask for the server rules to be written down, for GMs to keep punishments consistent, just completely basic things that will never happen.

Is it a rule that Inny has to be fought upstairs? Apparently it used to, be but isn't any more. Oh but wait then Sirken made a in-game broadcast that it wasn't allowed. Where is the post/written rule on this? IB pulled inny to the zone in three weeks ago and isn't punished for it. So is this a rule or not? I have no fucking idea. IB trains Nexona on us and we lose 1 nexona, we apparently (for the sake of argument) train Hosh on IB and we lose an entire week of VP, plus we had all our loot from our four legitimate kills deleted. So we essentially lose two weeks of VP. Where was it written that we'd lose our loot for mobs that we killed while off suspension? It isn't in the post that lists the conditions of our temporary un-suspension. Can you see what I'm getting at? All we want is consistency and for precedent to mean something. Really. It would make things 1000x easier.

[Lazie]

And to top that off..Once that other guild is done wiping to CT and he summons and kills me because I was only "Killing trash for the drops yo". Raid suspension for the other guild for training the zone and CT on me.

[Socratic]

The fact is that a very small percentage of the population (even within the class C guilds) really understand all the mechanics involved around pulling/training in these various zones. Staff has shown again and again that they don't know what they are talking about.

The idea that you are responsible for OTHER people aggroing your train is stupid, and highly exploitable.

Wake. The. Fuck. Up.

Let's say IB gets FTE on the next competitive Xygoz spawn, and to properly pull the dragon without killing themselves they actually do a trainup themselves (omg, really? yes! really! that's how it's done moron). Then let's say random TMO puller throws a hammer charge into a single wurm somewhere up by 4rac/2drakes and decides to "pull" that wurm to zone in for TMO to kill. The TMO puller aggros 1 mob, and runs to zone in, while their pulled wurm walks THE ONLY WAY IT FUCKING CAN right through the trainup by IB. Now once the TMO puller of the wurm gets to zone in they go ahead and have a bard and cleric buff them, transferring all that aggro, then they kill the wurm, and stand there like fucking morons at zone in.

Now you're telling me in the above situation it's IB's responsibility to keep their trainup mobs from coming back to zone in and attacking those idiots?

If you pull shit through someone else's controlled train then it's your own damn responsibility not to bring that shit to zone in and dump it on everyone.

Use your fucking head.

[Ele]

What happened to waiting outside while guild 1 took their attempt at clearing the zone or killing CT?

[Rais]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What happened to waiting outside while guild 1 took their attempt at clearing the zone or killing CT?

Was never on this server that I recall. On live my server always had the self rule of whoever broke fear, earned fear. I am sure others didn't play that way.

[Socratic]

You really don't get it.

The bottom line has always been if you are aggro on mobs it is your responsibility for what they do if you lose/keep aggro.

How about if you get aggro on my mobs it's your responsibility for what that aggro causes? Is that hard? If I pull a mob through the middle of your pull while you're trying to.... let's say... fd split something, are you responsible when it all kills me?

Your "bottom line" is stupid, and highly exploitable. How about I just watch for someone to aggro something and then I buff them, and run off to where a bunch of people are hanging out. Can I blame you for "not controlling your mobs"?

The truth is that EVERYONE must be responsible for their aggro, whether they were the player with initial aggro or not, otherwise you simply create a system where doing stupid things benefits you because the blame falls to someone else. Your half-whit ruling principle makes it possible to get nearly everyone who plays correctly suspended in favor of someone acting stupid and malicious.

[Socratic]

Btw a lot of these essays are here because people like you are too fucking stupid to see the consequences of your short-sighted dimwitted ideas regarding the ruling principles that govern decisions that affect dozens of people trying to compete here.

In other words. If you weren't so fucking dumb then there would be a lot less to post.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Socratic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In other words. If you weren't so fucking dumb then there would be a lot less to post.

and if you guys weren't such fucking assholes, there wouldn't be any issues to begin with [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[TMBLOW]

heres a thought:

instead of training every GD mob that exists maybe clear some stuff once in a while....

you know....like what was intended.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by TMBLOW [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

heres a thought:

instead of training every GD mob that exists maybe clear some stuff once in a while....

you know....like what was intended.

Sure lets walk into VP and clear 2 minute respawns forever and never kill dragons.