Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm really appreciating the 11th hour advocacy of the Wizard (with Rend Robe ofc) specifically for porting around and sniping.

The Chad Wizard vs. the virgin Shaman.

I love this thread.

You know it's bad when Wizard is more useful than Shaman in this group.

[fortior]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm really appreciating the 11th hour advocacy of the Wizard (with Rend Robe ofc) specifically for porting around and sniping.

The Chad Wizard vs. the virgin Shaman.

I love this thread.

I like thinking outside of the box. Wizard is a fantastic class which I didn’t fully appreciate before I started raiding. Now I think they’re amazing.

[Ripqozko]

Ngl after watching New metas I want to roll a wizard

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ngl after watching New metas I want to roll a wizard

Agreed! I played one on TLP with a Pre-Nerf Fungi Staff just for a taste of what that feels like. It's fun to quad and then regenerate quickly for the next bout.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like thinking outside of the box. Wizard is a fantastic class which I didn’t fully appreciate before I started raiding. Now I think they’re amazing.

Speaking as a guy with a 60 Wiz, I'd definitely agree, with the caveat that they really do feel pretty terrible to level in a group. You just can't contribute much in those scenarios. Quadding is great for leveling, though, and if you're looking for a 4th wheel for a Enc/Enc/Clr/xxx named target sniping group at endgame like you talked about, then a Wizard is definitely a very legit choice, if not tops. So while I would never advocate anyone play a Wizard in a 1-60 leveling group, they can definitely make sense in certain endgame group comps.

Wizard quadding itself is pretty unique from anything else in EQ with the instacast Flux staff and the AE Bonds of Force snare, and feels sort of like a combination of Bard kiting and Druid quadding (prob cuz the mobs are running at you full speed while you get them grouped up before snaring). But it's almost meditative once you discover a new quad spot and get good at pulling it. Strongly rec a Wizard alt to anyone who's never gotten around to playing one. Can quad up to 50 pretty easily and be a port/TL bot at least, and if you feel like a total boss the first time you drop an Ice Comet (it's hard not to), that alone may given you enough juice to hit 60.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

https://youtu.be/jG1Aat1XdbI - This is a video of me grouping with a 54 Necro and a 56 Enchanter, both of whom are charming pets. These two players are people I met today, and we are not coordinating over discord. This is an example of a pickup group.

In the description of the video you should find the logs. In this play session, we kill 77 mobs, and I cast Ice Strike 76 times, and used JBB once instead. The average kill speed is around 40 seconds per mob.

It is almost like you could create a solo video https://youtu.be/5XwiGKTuu2E and translate that DPS in to a group scenario. X Ice Strikes per average encounter of Y seconds results in Z DPS per fight on average.

That is the thing about averages. Some fights you may cast Ice Strike multiple times, some fights you don't cast it at all, but the average smooths this out.

I am really not sure why this wasn't obvious already, or why it needed hundreds of pages of trolling. The idea that you "cannot use solo videos for group scenarios" is debunked.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://youtu.be/jG1Aat1XdbI - This is a video of me grouping with a 54 Necro and a 56 Enchanter, both of whom are charming pets. These two players are people I met today, and we are not coordinating over discord. This is an example of a pickup group.

In the description of the video you should find the logs. In this play session, we kill 77 mobs, and I cast Ice Strike 76 times, and used JBB once instead. The average kill speed is around 40 seconds per mob.

It is almost like you could create a solo video https://youtu.be/5XwiGKTuu2E and translate that DPS in to a group scenario. X Ice Strikes per average encounter of Y seconds results in Z DPS per fight on average.

That is the thing about averages. Some fights you may cast Ice Strike multiple times, some fights you don't cast it at all, but the average smooths this out.

I am really not sure why this wasn't obvious already, or why it needed hundreds of pages of trolling. The idea that you "cannot use solo videos for group scenarios" is debunked.

So what you’ve basically told us is that you did 15 dps in this group. Why even bother with ice strike? Just use jbb. Ice strike isn’t for static dps. It’s for burning a mob. You just caused more work for yourself to make up that mana Vs just clicking jbb.

Solo has nothing to do with group. In solo you can also regen mana much quicker since you aren’t moving around as much and shammys need to be stationary to regen mana unlike a necromancer or enchanter.

Unfortunately you just spent 2 hours to prove essentially what we already know - shamans put out shit dps in a fast kill grouped scenario. Their best feature is torpor tanking. Problem with this is that doesn’t work well on mobs that are difficult or impossible to slow. Which is why enchanters prefer clerics instead.

So you’ve just confirmed what we already know. Swap in a cleric and add a mage or another enc for more dps.

Edit: also mobs dieing in 40 seconds means your epic will do like 5-6 dps per mob. And if you charge ahead trying to root more mobs, you will die and there will be no cleric to rez you and the the Necro will be pissed that they had to burn an EE to rez your greedy self. But had you tried to do that it would have at least had some more relevance to our discussion, lol.

Just so much disconnect between this video and this entire thread, lol. Nice try though!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So what you’ve basically told us is that you did 15 dps in this group. Why even bother with ice strike? Just use jbb. Ice strike isn’t for static dps. It’s for burning a mob. You just caused more work for yourself to make up that mana Vs just clicking jbb.

Solo has nothing to do with group. In solo you can also regen mana much quicker since you aren’t moving around as much and shammys need to be stationary to regen mana unlike a necromancer or enchanter.

Unfortunately you just spent 2 hours to prove essentially what we already know - shamans put out shit dps in a fast kill grouped scenario. Their best feature is torpor tanking. Problem with this is that doesn’t work well on mobs that are difficult or impossible to slow. Which is why enchanters prefer clerics instead.

So you’ve just confirmed what we already know. Swap in a cleric and add a mage or another enc for more dps.

Edit: also mobs dieing in 40 seconds means your epic will do like 5-6 dps per mob. And if you charge ahead trying to root more mobs, you will die and there will be no cleric to rez you and the the Necro will be pissed that they had to burn an EE to rez your greedy self. But had you tried to do that it would have at least had some more relevance to our discussion, lol.

Just so much disconnect between this video and this entire thread, lol. Nice try though!

I proved that you can use solo videos to show group DPS scenarios. Which you said was impossible, and was the cause of hundreds of pages of trolling. If you don't understand basic DPS calculations, maybe you should pause before assuming other things[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Also, I had a pet for a good chunk of the video, so it would be 15 DPS + Pet DPS, so around 30 DPS plus all of the utility and tanking.

You are also saying nothing about utility vs. DPS. What evidence to you have to show those classes would have given us more kills per hour?

Now that I provided group evidence, you are doing exactly what I said you would do, which is make excuses as to why the video doesn't fit whatever you think you are trying to argue. It was nonsense hundreds of pages ago, and still is nonsense.

You need to provide evidence for your claims now. No more excuses.

[Lampolo]

Why HS west?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Lampolo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why HS west?

Why not HS West? I was doing a pickup group, so finding people is the hard part. I happened to find those players in HS. They were great btw, shout out to them for a great group!