Mages are up shit’s creek I guess

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Benanov [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That *is* the timeline. That's what happened. If you want to play a "classic" server that starts with the vision the devs were going for, that is not Green.

The problem with this statement is that it actually is Green sometimes. The staff have made multiple changes to what is in place on Green launch based on things that the devs were going for that were fixed/patched later in the timeline. There's many things that were changed later in the timeline that, as of Green launch, are in the state they were following the later change. And this is because the staff decided that the changes the devs made back in the day were to fix an exploit, fix terrible design/balance issues, or otherwise bring things in line with what the devs' real vision for EQ was and therefore they should be reflected on Green launch rather than patched later.

It's selectively classic. I don't really care that it's selectively classic, because it's a private server and the staff can do what they want, but people need to stop making the argument you're trying to make when there are multiple ways that the server is quite literally not fully accurate to the timeline/what classic EQ was at launch.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Dolalin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So none of you can link to any research showing pets weren't eating xp at launch? I don't think I'm asking for much here.

This conversation has been had a million times. People have linked evidence over the past couple weeks. Go back through the lengthy posts and find it if you'd like.

[Skosh]

Interesting. So on old retail it wasn't even the slightest bit of the Verant staff deliberately waiting for more data or some other reason to add the selected Magician pets to vendors that we saw after launch. As soon as the players posted evidence of a broken situation, the staff gave it a 'next day' fix. And even more, it appears that it happened as a stealth fix so that they wouldn't lose face.

Hilarious. The decision making for this Green server just took the most entertaining of turns. I guess the real question now would be - since it was Classic for Verant to immediately fix a broken class situation with the pets on old retail, will it be a move to preserve that classic environment here on this Emu?

[Ligma]

Yep, its impressive the amount of work put in to making this a classic server.

No one ever said EQ was a perfect game. In fact, every expansion following the less than perfect release was unfinished in some way.

[port9001]

What relevance does it have that SOE patched it right away? In this server that endeavors to recreate the timeline of patches it wouldn’t make sense to include some patches earlier than others.

I’ll ask again: if you don’t like how green works why not play on blue?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by port9001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What relevance does it have that SOE patched it right away? In this server that endeavors to recreate the timeline of patches it wouldn’t make sense to include some patches earlier than others.

I’ll ask again: if you don’t like how green works why not play on blue?

I think the reason people cite that as evidence is because the staff has made other changes to Green launch rather than waiting to do it in accordance with the timeline because the EQ devs changed something quickly once they realized it was a bad design decision. Yet for other changes that were made later on when the EQ devs realized it was terrible design, those are still following the "classic timeline". People are just frustrated with the selectively classic decision-making I think.

[port9001]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the reason people cite that as evidence is because the staff has made other changes to Green launch rather than waiting to do it in accordance with the timeline because the EQ devs changed something quickly once they realized it was a bad design decision. Yet for other changes that were made later on when the EQ devs realized it was terrible design, those are still following the "classic timeline". People are just frustrated with the selectively classic decision-making I think.

I agree that is frustrating. I don’t know why certain things don’t follow timeline while others do. At the same time I don’t feel like advocating for MORE things to be wrong makes any sense.

[Obrae]

Originally Posted by port9001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What relevance does it have that SOE patched it right away? In this server that endeavors to recreate the timeline of patches it wouldn’t make sense to include some patches earlier than others.

I’ll ask again: if you don’t like how green works why not play on blue?

Blue is 10years old.

No one plays green to relive bugs and exploits. Even if youd think it’s the case reading this forum.

People all wanted a Fresh start on a new server that will follow a reasonnable Time progression. Warriors, mages and all the class. The obsession of re-emulating bad mechanics, bugs, exploits is just crazy. At the same Time those hardcore trolls Ask for baby mechanics like the list system. So incoherent.

[Ligma]

Yet, despite all the research over the past TEN years you decide that there are classic things, that weren't completely abused beyond recognition, that right now are not classic. Provide evidence stronger than has already been and it will be changed.

Besides /med which we all know was a thing

[Ligma]

No one plays green to relive bugs and exploits. Even if youd think it’s the case reading this forum.

Is that why so many people are racing towards items that are nerfed over lvl 50?