Ruining EQ

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Rivera [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

anyone who ever looked at AG as the good guys are hilariously wrong. they are just like A/A but bad at EQ as the only difference. tbh.

Bad at P99 and bad at EQ are two incredibly different things. The A/A meta game is most certainly not EQ.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing but warm bodies clinging to the play of a small group of actual players ruins EQ.

They all just a bunch of betas

Cringing hard.

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bad at P99 and bad at EQ are two incredibly different things. The A/A meta game is most certainly not EQ.

Still say the problem isn't the players for the most part. Variance is a failed experiment, never intended for a server like blue P99 that has 5x the active raiders of any same-era live server.

Quakes are the only solution, you can see already the agreements guilds have on quakes are very different than for mobs that mob on variance.

[Fragged]

Originally Posted by raato [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When there has been valid petition against CSG? or even a petition?

When Versager kited CT for 15 minutes. Sirken told A/A and CSG that it was either suspend all 3 parties or let the petitions even each other out.

I can't remember the petition that was valid against Awakened, might have been a Koi tracker FTE or a train at zone in, but I do remember the one of ours. We had people who /Qed AFTER a dragon was dead in proximity of it's spawn point in order to swap toons and continue competing in another zone. Apparently this is is a suspandeble (at least if you are A/A). When asked about the multiple people bound at zoneout in ToV or people that camp out there, Sirken replied that "yeah he was about to suspend all the guilds on the server"... K man.

I know some of CSGs members love to waltz around thinking they are spit clean, but I have seen CSG violate the raid rules more than a dozen times, I can imagine our stepsister (Awakened) has too. But ever since we had 5 petitions in vs Awakened where Sirken deemed that for 2 of them the evidence wasn't sufficient enough, so instead of suspending them for the 3 that were good he chose to suspend us for crying wolf.. Ever since that, and since it doesn't really matter to us as we barely see you anyway, we just don't bother petitioning you.

Every week we have people from CSG kiting, training, ninjalooting our mobs, griefing our members mid raid and on and on.. but hey A/A are the evil evil people.

Fun fact we spend every second of every raid worrying about if we did anything wrong with these horribly unclear raid rules. Nothing matters more to us than to abide by the raid rules as it's our raison d'etre. This should give you an idea of how hard it is to to navigate in the current set of rules.

We once had a tracker exit the zone and zone back in an hour later and help with the pull.. BAM suspened. What is it Sirken always says "The spirit of the rules", pretty sure that goes against the spirit as the tracker had no hand in obtaining the legal FTE and as of having exited the zone and zoned back in would no longer even be considered a fucking tracker.. /sigh.

Just to be clear I'm not trying to say CSG is evil either, heck I don't even think Awakened is, but the fact of the matter is that the enforcement of the raid rules are stupidly arbitrary and anyone slinging mud in either guilds direction is missing the bigger picture.

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by Fragged [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When Versager kited CT for 15 minutes. Sirken told A/A and CSG that it was either suspend all 3 parties or let the petitions even each other out.

I can't remember the petition that was valid against Awakened, might have been a Koi tracker FTE or a train at zone in, but I do remember the one of ours. We had people who /Qed AFTER a dragon was dead in proximity of it's spawn point in order to swap toons and continue competing in another zone. Apparently this is is a suspandeble (at least if you are A/A). When asked about the multiple people bound at zoneout in ToV or people that camp out there, Sirken replied that "yeah he was about to suspend all the guilds on the server"... K man.

I know some of CSGs members love to waltz around thinking they are spit clean, but I have seen CSG violate the raid rules more than a dozen times, I can imagine our stepsister (Awakened) has too. But ever since we had 5 petitions in vs Awakened where Sirken deemed that for 2 of them the evidence wasn't sufficient enough, so instead of suspending them for the 3 that were good he chose to suspend us for crying wolf.. Ever since that, and since it doesn't really matter to us as we barely see you anyway, we just don't bother petitioning you.

Every week we have people from CSG kiting, training, ninjalooting our mobs, griefing our members mid raid and on and on.. but hey A/A are the evil evil people.

Fun fact we spend every second of every raid worrying about if we did anything wrong with these horribly unclear raid rules. Nothing matters more to us than to abide by the raid rules as it's our raison d'etre. This should give you an idea of how hard it is to to navigate in the current set of rules.

We once had a tracker exit the zone and zone back in an hour later and help with the pull.. BAM suspened. What is it Sirken always says "The spirit of the rules", pretty sure that goes against the spirit as the tracker had no hand in obtaining the legal FTE and as of having exited the zone and zoned back in would no longer even be considered a fucking tracker.. /sigh.

Just to be clear I'm not trying to say CSG is evil either, heck I don't even think Awakened is, but the fact of the matter is that the enforcement of the raid rules are stupidly arbitrary and anyone slinging mud in either guilds direction is missing the bigger picture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still say the problem isn't the players for the most part. Variance is a failed experiment, never intended for a server like blue P99 that has 5x the active raiders of any same-era live server.

Quakes are the only solution, you can see already the agreements guilds have on quakes are very different than for mobs that mob on variance.

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the real answer is spawn length variance. socking is like cancer, you can't stop it without killing or maiming the host.

namaste

[Elerial]

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[Heebs13]

Originally Posted by Fragged [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When Versager kited CT for 15 minutes. Sirken told A/A and CSG that it was either suspend all 3 parties or let the petitions even each other out.

I can't remember the petition that was valid against Awakened, might have been a Koi tracker FTE or a train at zone in, but I do remember the one of ours. We had people who /Qed AFTER a dragon was dead in proximity of it's spawn point in order to swap toons and continue competing in another zone. Apparently this is is a suspandeble (at least if you are A/A). When asked about the multiple people bound at zoneout in ToV or people that camp out there, Sirken replied that "yeah he was about to suspend all the guilds on the server"... K man.

I know some of CSGs members love to waltz around thinking they are spit clean, but I have seen CSG violate the raid rules more than a dozen times, I can imagine our stepsister (Awakened) has too. But ever since we had 5 petitions in vs Awakened where Sirken deemed that for 2 of them the evidence wasn't sufficient enough, so instead of suspending them for the 3 that were good he chose to suspend us for crying wolf.. Ever since that, and since it doesn't really matter to us as we barely see you anyway, we just don't bother petitioning you.

Every week we have people from CSG kiting, training, ninjalooting our mobs, griefing our members mid raid and on and on.. but hey A/A are the evil evil people.

Fun fact we spend every second of every raid worrying about if we did anything wrong with these horribly unclear raid rules. Nothing matters more to us than to abide by the raid rules as it's our raison d'etre. This should give you an idea of how hard it is to to navigate in the current set of rules.

We once had a tracker exit the zone and zone back in an hour later and help with the pull.. BAM suspened. What is it Sirken always says "The spirit of the rules", pretty sure that goes against the spirit as the tracker had no hand in obtaining the legal FTE and as of having exited the zone and zoned back in would no longer even be considered a fucking tracker.. /sigh.

Just to be clear I'm not trying to say CSG is evil either, heck I don't even think Awakened is, but the fact of the matter is that the enforcement of the raid rules are stupidly arbitrary and anyone slinging mud in either guilds direction is missing the bigger picture.

Is your argument that there's a conspiracy among the GMs to unfairly punish A/A / not punish CSG, so you never actually petition us but we will just have to take your word for it that CSG members are training, griefing, and ninja looting your members on a weekly basis? I just want to make sure I have this straight.

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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the real answer is spawn length variance. socking is like cancer, you can't stop it without killing or maiming the host.

namaste

Isn't that what I said? Quake only pops would end variance. The middle ground of zero variance would probably still encourage a lot of cheating like FTE racing did, but it wouldn't be as bad as what we have now.

[Mytral]

Originally Posted by Fragged [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every week we have people from CSG kiting, training, ninjalooting our mobs, griefing our members mid raid and on and on.. but hey A/A are the evil evil people.

So that's where all that extra lewt is coming from.