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01-21-2011, 06:04 PM
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well in the old testament as you pointed out there was a lot of Divine intervention, and "miracles" ....maybe God got fed up with all the idiots and said fuck all of you tards, if you wanna figure it out, i gave you a brain , now use it? Who knows? I find it quite contrary too how different old and new is...but consider the sources. Also consider how much of the original bible was tossed out and edited to fit Christianity's supreme rule by fear of burning eternally in brimstone and fire.
God "You know what? Direct manipulation isn't working with you people. I shall now send down myself in the form of Jesus , but I'll refer to him as my son to confuse the Romans, hahaha. Who will then condem and crucify me , BUT , the caveat is, you can now sin freely as long as you accept Jesus and beg for forgiveness on your deathbeds...if you get the chance. Or conversely, go to church on Sunday and act holy, and be a douche the rest of the week, cuz it's OKKKKKK!!! | ||
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#2
01-21-2011, 06:09 PM
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You know Misto, no one is forcing you to participate in this discussion.
Your little stamp just makes me realize you're butt-hurtt over this discussion, but don't know enough about the subject, or your own convictions to add to what's being said. | ||
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01-21-2011, 08:56 PM
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No, I'm not particularly mad at all. I'm kind of tired and I have a lot of homework to do this weekend, though; thanks for asking.
If you knew anything about science and logic, you'd realize that it's virtually impossibly to prove a negative. The only way to do something like that is to account for every possible case. You could prove, for example, that none of the mice in a small population are infected with a particular disease by testing all of them. You could not prove, though, that there are no unicorns current living or that flying dragons never existed. Since you went there, there's absolutely no concrete evidence that a man named Jesus was born in Bethlehem 2100 years ago and was crucified about three decades later. What is known is that the name "Jesus" is completely inconsistent with both the Hebrew and Aramaic languages. If there was an actual Jesus, his name was probably "Yeshua." I wasn't the one talking about the Bible, but as it happens I'm quite familiar with it. I grew up Catholic, went to Catholic schools and was both an altar boy and a lector at mass. I didn't learn much about the Bible from those things, but I began to question my religion when I realized that God never answered my prayers. I started to wonder if I was doing something wrong. Then I started to wonder why other people seemed to truly and deeply believe in God. This led me on a decades-long search that culminated with my discovery of the proto Indo-European religion theory, which is primarily based on linguistic science. So here are the answers to your questions, as near as I've discovered: Who wrote the Bible? This is a complex question. The easy, Christian answer is that the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible. The Old Testament, of course, is borrowed almost completely from Judaism and the most widely accepted expert on those writings was a German named Martin Noth. Noth hypothesized that the first five books of the Bible, the Books of Law, came from four sources (either individuals scribes or close groups of scribes) whom he designates J, E, D and P. He also attributes some of the books of prophets (Nevi'im in the Tanakh) to source D. The other books of prophets span about five hundred years, beginning around the sixth century BCE. Toward the end of that time, we have the books which you may or may not be including, depending on your particular faith. Catholics still include the apocrypha, but those books are excluded from King James versions. The Dead Sea Scrolls included some of the books of the old testament. There are also additional books recognized by the Greek, Russian and Eastern Orthodox churches. The Anglican church also includes a few of those books. It should be noted that Christian Bibles follow the organization of the Septuagint, a Greek translation, rather than the organization of the Hebrew Bible, although most western religions have re-translated from the Hebrew and Aramaic texts. Now we get to the New Testament, where there are for more recognized scholars. It is generally accepted that the commonality between Matthew, Mark and Luke points to a common source, which has been dubbed document Q. None of them even purport to be eye-witness accounts and they were all likely written some time between 70 and 100. There's a lot of disagreement about whether or not the disciple John wrote the gospel of John but it is also believed to have been written during the same period. Finally, we hit an actual known writer, Saint Paul, where I happen to live! Paul is credited with most of the letters, though it is speculated that he dictated the letters to a scribe rather than penning them in his own hand. The final epistles and Revelations are attributed to a variety of sources. I was taught as a child that Revelations was written by John the apostle, but modern theory disagrees. I don't know if that was the common theory at that time or not. How many years did it take to compile the Bible? I suppose this depends when you want to start counting. The oldest actual evidence available dates to the sixth or seventh century BCE, but multiple scholars theorize aural or lost sources dating back to about the twelfth century BCE. The King James edits were implemented in the early seventeenth century, so I suppose if I were to try to come up with a number, it would be about 2300 years. Is the Bible the only Historical document to give accounts of the life of Jesus? No. There are the Gnostic texts and many other variations of gospels, acts, epistles and other scrolls in various states of completeness and provenance. However, none of the books of the Bible nor the additional texts are generally accepted by scholars as first person accounts dating to the actual life of Jesus. There are no official records, artifacts, sites or anything else which scientifically document the birth, life, or death of Jesus. The closest items are the Shroud of Turin, which has no record prior to the fourteenth century, and the Volto Santo, which happens to not actually exist. Do I get extra credit for this paper? | ||
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01-21-2011, 09:23 PM
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I forgot a couple of alleged first-class relics. The crown of thorns and a nail from the passion are stored in the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. The Sudarium of Oviedo is a supposed burial headcloth held in the Cathedral of San Salvador in Spain. This would appear to conflict with the famed Shroud. Two different items claim to be the Mandylion or Image of Edessa.
There's also this concept of a third-class relic, where you just touch an item to a first-class relic and it's somehow holy, too. I've probably missed some other supposedly holy junk here, but none of it has provenance back to Jesus. There are endless little old shitty pieces of wood that claim to be part of the True Cross. | ||
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#7
01-21-2011, 10:44 PM
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I am going to end this thread via Godwins law. (lol?)
- God created man in his image, (physicaly, intelligently, spiritually) - God created Hitler in his own image. - If Gods' image is Hitler, God is a Nazi If i claim God is a Nazi this never ending argument has come to completion as per Internet rules of engagment. You may now resume your regular activities.
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01-21-2011, 11:28 PM
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I declare rule 34.
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01-21-2011, 11:30 PM
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