the i dont care about politics anymore thread

[Basanos]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Was illegal yes

I don’t think it’s right to blame capitalism, I think the blame should be put on liars and hypocrites

The party of the working class doesn’t care when something causes a net negative to the American working class. And the SECURE TEH BORDER conservatives don’t care when they hire illegals for their companies to save a few bucks. The same hypocrites that rage about illegals bringing drugs over that end up either buying those drugs themselves or else their kids they are neglecting eventually do. Supporting cartels with their wallets

Those liars and hypocrites are capitalists, whether they are Democrats or Republicans. Even Democratic Socialist types do this, it's why we Actual Leftists will also criticize the Nordic model of socialism.

An ideology can't take responsibility for anything. We can only blame people. Conservative critique of capitalism is baffling.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is perfectly legal for a company to build a factory in Indonesia and pay workers pennies on the dollar compared to an American worker. In fact, this sort of thing is why most of us can afford stuff.

Is that also not capitalism?

Most stuff is stuff we don’t need

“Well this is how we’ve always done it” is a shitty reason to continue a bad practice

Throwing one’s hands up in the air and saying “in this day and age with our modern tech and information we just can’t find an alternative solution to this problem other than exploiting third world workers” just isn’t convincing me. Call me stubborn

[Basanos]

Let's try this from the other end.

What changes are you suggesting? Would the Republican party in general, assuming it is in control of the presidency, house, and senate... support whatever changes you'd want to see?

[Homesteaded]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most stuff is stuff we don’t need

“Well this is how we’ve always done it” is a shitty reason to continue a bad practice

Throwing one’s hands up in the air and saying “in this day and age with our modern tech and information we just can’t find an alternative solution to this problem other than exploiting third world workers” just isn’t convincing me. Call me stubborn

Creative solutions are the answer. Either way we need a societal change. Accumulation of “stuff” is a very real problem. A problem I believe is caused by a lack of moral bedrock. Science is the new religion.

[Basanos]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't you know? Republicans don't actually like the free market, it's just rhetoric that helps them reconcile why they shouldn't have to pay taxes.

Engaging people during this form of rhetoric is how you actually create change. I obviously have big issues with Republicans, and agree with you, but conversations like this are opportunities.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's try this from the other end.

What changes are you suggesting? Would the Republican party in general, assuming it is in control of the presidency, house, and senate... support whatever changes you'd want to see?

A start could be arresting and imprisoning the companies admin staff who hire illegals. It’s done, and they do tend to throw the book at them, but it’s rare

Giving financial incentives to hire Americans and produce here could be another way

Would repubs support it? No idea

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's try this from the other end.

What changes are you suggesting? Would the Republican party in general, assuming it is in control of the presidency, house, and senate... support whatever changes you'd want to see?

Given the republicans general contempt for the working class you know damnned well what would happen--nothing. They'd fill their own pockets while blaming the other side and the politics-as-a-sports-team bunch would continue lapping it up. That being said the democrats are no better today. That party's modern incarnation is largely indistinguishable from the republicans in any way that genuinely matters, loud harping on insubstantial wedge issues notwithstanding. Once in awhile they find a way to do something right, like the Obama administration pushing hard for new school construction--that was legitimately good work--but for the most part they're practically and disappointingly just about the same.

[Basanos]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A start could be arresting and imprisoning the companies admin staff who hire illegals. It’s done, and they do tend to throw the book at them, but it’s rare

Giving financial incentives to hire Americans and produce here could be another way

Would repubs support it? No idea

I would like to believe that most people, regardless of party, would see this as the neo-slavery it is. They do bust folks sometimes.

I personally think the Republican party might support the incentives you suggest, but I am more skeptical that they'd change any existing laws to make punishment more severe. I would wager there are powerful lobbying groups that would prefer the status quo, or even rolling back protections further.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdga/pr...ral-indictment

[unsunghero]

It won’t change though, and it will be interesting to see the cities homeless demographic shift in the coming years

Luckily, despite being in a border state, I live in the north and nicer part of the city. So I can simulate being a politician in an ivory tower and not care because it won’t affect me directly. Well, only at work it will because we help everyone regardless of immigration status

Going on a hike, peace!

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A start could be arresting and imprisoning the companies admin staff who hire illegals. It’s done, and they do tend to throw the book at them, but it’s rare

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