And I raaaaaan, I raaaan so far awaaaayyyy

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is just basic human nature.

Humans are not subservient in their natural state. That is a product of societal pressures valuing compliance and submission to authority.

It would be much more valid to say:

"This is just basic human nurture."

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hurts hearing the truth sometimes.

It doesn't make it true because you say it. No troll or RnF thread is stopping guild leaders coming together to talk about raiding.

Your claim is baseless. Its almost as if you want a scapegoat for the deficiencies you percieve about the raid scence. Like all things there are multiple variables. You tried tho

[Autotune]

Ele, you of all people should know that RnF trolls have little to do with talks that get made in-game with guilds.

Just remember how Ragefire could have turned out.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Hasbinlulz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Humans are not subservient in their natural state. That is a product of societal pressures valuing compliance and submission to authority.

It would be much more valid to say:

"This is just basic human nurture."

Humans are not on the internet in their natural state either.

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't make it true because you say it. No troll or RnF thread is stopping guild leaders coming together to talk about raiding.

Your claim is baseless. Its almost as if you want a scapegoat for the deficiencies you percieve about the raid scence. Like all things there are multiple variables. You tried tho

Agreed. IB didn't leave because of forum trolls, nor even the competition level TMO's zerg brought.

They left because, in their hearts, they are cowards.

[Hasbinlulz]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Humans are not on the internet in their natural state either.

I never said they were. Now I am confused.

You're usually either an asshole or wrong or both, but at least I can usually understand you.................

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ele, you of all people should know that RnF trolls have little to do with talks that get made in-game with guilds.

Just remember how Ragefire could have turned out.

You mean the Ragefire where multiple people cited RnF as a primary motivating reason to disregard the public rotation? You mean the one where several longstanding TMO members had to negotiate, beg, plead, and ultimately threaten to leave the guild to make their point?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You mean the Ragefire where multiple people cited RnF as a primary motivating reason to disregard the public rotation? You mean the one where several longstanding TMO members had to negotiate, beg, plead, and ultimately threaten to leave the guild to make their point?

Wait so... it didn't get done? Im confused? Cause I thought it did get done.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You mean the Ragefire where multiple people cited RnF as a primary motivating reason to disregard the public rotation? You mean the one where several longstanding TMO members had to negotiate, beg, plead, and ultimately threaten to leave the guild to make their point?

Multiple people cited wrong sources then.

Zeelot didn't like how the situation was handled and as far as I know he isn't considered a RnF troll.

Several TMO members? It was very few of us that I remember.

I can tell you now, RnF trolls had absolutely nothing to do with influencing Zeelot's decision, either time.

He gives 0fucks about RnF trolls outside of the occasional laugh.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not everyone likes spending their weekends being griefed or griefing in retaliation. Some people want to play to have fun in the PvE world and not deal with other people's entitlement issues.

Red99 is wide open.

Exhibit A: TMO has a monopoly on VP based mostly because 99% of us don't want to deal with it.

Anyway Ephi, with all due respect I don't think you are fully appreciating the negative impact of GM decisions. I realize that laws and judges are a lot more random than people think, but IMO you should look at every nontrivial GM decision on the raiding scene as a failure of the raid rules.