Are you kidding me?

[Raev]

I support no ranting and flaming. But lightly trolling the opposition is the spice of life.

[Raev]

i plan on using it in RL regularly

[Mistle]

The sad thing is guys like Maner really believe it was a matter of not "being good enough" to kill Trak.

Curious what makes you better than them Maner. What class is your main again?

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The sad thing is guys like Maner really believe it was a matter of not "being good enough" to kill Trak.

Curious what makes you better than them Maner. What class is your main again?

There's a difference between downing Trak, and downing Trak with 80 people in under 10 seconds and giving pats on the back all round for a job well done and taking selfies...then thinking "we're ready" for the next thing.

Obviously move that analogy to some Velious encounters.

[Nirgon]

i tried to FTE the dragon but was blinded by the reflection of someone's lustrous russet armor

we need a sirken stream about this asap, i am real mad about it

[Mistle]

But that's not what he's arguing. He says the 'casual guilds' weren't good enough to beat Trak, get teeth, move to VP, and get crowns of Rile. Clearly Maner believes he is better than them. He says it outright. So, I'd like to know what it is that makes him better. Should be a pretty easy question for him to answer, not sure why these A/A guys keep dodging it.

[Breaken]

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But that's not what he's arguing. He says the 'casual guilds' weren't good enough to beat Trak, get teeth, move to VP, and get crowns of Rile. Clearly Maner believes he is better than them. He says it outright. So, I'd like to know what it is that makes him better. Should be a pretty easy question for him to answer, not sure why these A/A guys keep dodging it.

I don't know why you think that Maner speaks for Awakened. Please don't categorize us, and we won't categorize you.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But that's not what he's arguing. He says the 'casual guilds' weren't good enough to beat Trak, get teeth, move to VP, and get crowns of Rile. Clearly Maner believes he is better than them. He says it outright. So, I'd like to know what it is that makes him better. Should be a pretty easy question for him to answer, not sure why these A/A guys keep dodging it.

Obviously being good enough to beat trak also includes beating the other guilds going for him, on this server at least. Why not focus on making kunark more casual friendly than jumping right to NToV? Why not work on getting your guild through the kunark progression before you complain that you aren't seeing enough dragons in velious? I personally think racing is stupid, it requires much more man power than cothing did. It requires more man power than sitting a mage through chardok and leveling your own mages so you can compete at the coth pulling.

I have never soloed trak but I have killed him with 16 people so obviously it doesn't take 30-80 people to kill him. There have been times when we have cleared everything and then pulled trak, its not just coth racing, because there was no competition for him.

I haven't played on this server newarly as long as most people in my guild obviously, but I have 2 of my toons keyed for VP along with a friends cleric who just needs PS. It is not that much of a commitment to get a VP key, its just another excuse used by casuals who would rather have everything handed to them.

With all that spin, I am surprised you could even read my original post.

[Mistle]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Obviously being good enough to beat trak also includes beating the other guilds going for him, on this server at least.

And that is due to you, is it?

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have never soloed trak but I have killed him with 16 people so obviously it doesn't take 30-80 people to kill him.

You are aware that the top guilds have a gear advantage gained long before you even joined the server that permits them to do this where smaller casual guilds cannot, and therefore can always engage earlier than they can in coth races?

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I haven't played on this server newarly as long as most people in my guild obviously, but I have 2 of my toons keyed for VP along with a friends cleric who just needs PS. It is not that much of a commitment to get a VP key, its just another excuse used by casuals who would rather have everything handed to them.

Did you get your VP keys with a guild that is still trying to get regular Trak keys and can't field a full VP raid or did you stand on the shoulders of those who came before you?

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With all that spin, I am surprised you could even read my original post.

On the contrary I greatly enjoy reading how summer children such as yourself (someone who reaps the benefits of things that happened long before you ever looted your first rusty dagger) deserve things so much more than other people while being utterly unaware that you are completely interchangeable with any of those filthy casuals you look down on without anyone blinking an eye. The ironic thing is you actually think it's OTHER people who want things handed to them after pretty much embodying it yourself. Heh.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And that is due to you, is it?

You are aware that the top guilds have a gear advantage gained long before you even joined the server that permits them to do this where smaller casual guilds cannot, and therefore can always engage earlier than they can in coth races?

Did you get your VP keys with a guild that is still trying to get regular Trak keys and can't field a full VP raid or did you stand on the shoulders of those who came before you?

On the contrary I greatly enjoy reading how summer children such as yourself (someone who reaps the benefits of things that happened long before you ever looted your first rusty dagger) deserve things so much more than other people while being utterly unaware that you are completely interchangeable with any of those filthy casuals you look down on without anyone blinking an eye. The ironic thing is you actually think it's OTHER people who want things handed to them after pretty much embodying it yourself. Heh.

I literally said in the next line that I never soloed trak, I have tracked him though so yes, on the kills I was there tracking and one of the first 10 cothed, yes, it was partly because of me.

I got my VP key in a guild that was still actively going after trak for keys to get into VP yes, indignation to be specific. So where is that gear advantage you were talking about? I got my key in indignation when we killed trak with 20 people.

I don't know where I said I personally deserve anything. I was nothing but another warm body for the people who had been here for years to use when I joined AM. Since then I have come to comprehend how the raid scene works and how to best use my time to benefit my guild. I am sorry that for some reason this line of thinking is offensive to you, I never claimed to be anything more than I am. you just apparently have the comprehension of a liberal.

When I joined AM I had 50% RA but RL and repops happened and now I am working to try and bring my attendance back up to a respectable level. I never put in for a Loot council item when it was just forsaken, and I haven't even bid on anything in months. I don't consider myself "hardcore", I show up to raids when I am at home and the batphone goes off, or I just shrug it off to real life and don't worry.

It is however pretty eye opening seeing how upset this game makes you. Perhaps you should take a step back and find a better direction to take your life.