New ToV Racing Rules

[Mistle]

+/- 7 day variance, or +/- 10 minute variance. With some other adjustments, both of these would be better than what we have now.

[ArumTP]

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah this is exactly the kind of shitty attitude I was referring to, the kind that makes pretty much everyone from outside this server look at people like you with the biggest "wtf?" expressions on their faces.

Listen. No one is afraid of "competing" against you. What people have a problem with is the absolute ridiculous lengths this "competition" has gone to. It's not just having to track for a mob for up to sixteen hours, that's plenty bad enough and variance is fucking cancer. No. It's the fucking level of dedication you need to put into how it is tracking now to win anything.

Maybe people disassociated with current raiding don't know what I am talking about, what Arum is desperately trying to downplay. You don't just track a mob and then race to it nowadays. People are literally setting up a skype live stream for everyone in their guild to watch. You stare at this stream. You can't look away for a second, because that's all it takes. The race will be won by the person who was literally staring at the screen eyes locked forward at the time the mob spawned, for HOURS. Look away for a second? You just lost. Someone types something in caps in guildchat and you instinctively read it? You just lost. Dog barks? You just lost. Look for that glass of Dr. Pepper beside you? You just lost. Throw the ball for your dog? You just lost. Forget having a movie on. Forget watching some Game of Thrones. Forget reading a book or talking on the phone or even trolling RnF, because the second you do, maybe the second you lose focus just thinking about doing it, you just lost.

This. Is. Insane.

No one can do this. Not even A/A, really. But what they can do is throw a dozen people or more each at the race so that even if three or four of them happen to glance down at the chat window for a second (all it takes to lose the race), several of the others were hovering over that run key ready to go.

None of the casual guilds have that many people willing to go to such stupid lengths over pixels. The few people willing to race in each guild, they can try, and maybe they'll be lucky enough to be on that hair trigger to get into the race the millisecond the mob spawns, and actually be the one who gets the aggro first out of the dozens racing. Maybe. Probably not, though, and as the losses mount the fewer who will bother to try.

And so you get people like Arum who think this is "putting more effort into it". It's not putting more effort, it's escalating it far past the point of sanity. You have successfully turned the "competition" into something ludicrously embarrassing, something that would, and is, looked at by people outside the server as probably the most pathetic thing ever conceived of in all of computer gaming history.

And it SHOCKS you that other people want to bring it back to something resembling non idiotic? You actually look DOWN on others for not wanting to DO this? Take a look at your life, buddy. Or at the lives of the people you are making do this, if you aren't, in your lust to get pixels over other people. This is not normal behavior.

And if these people are so fucking deranged that this is considered healthy competition for mobs, then GMs need to step in and actually bring some sort of intelligence and maturity to this, and shut this kind of thing down. Unfortunately, instead we have Sirken. Braknar thinks that begging A/A to give up mobs they never had any interest in in the first place is some kind of accomplishment to be applauded, obviously nothing useful is going to come from him. It has to be Sirken. And that is a problem.

Screen sharing goes back further than the current crop of members in the A/A guilds. It was not widely known by the casuals till recently, because they never had to compete on that level, or heard of it till this raid summit.

Nobody said you HAVE to do any of this. Just expect this level of play style if you plan on competing with A/A.

All the casuals want is that sweet sweet ntov loot, but have no desire to compete with A/A to get it. They will band together, petition for future raid summits, and sirken to try and create a new walled garden C/R system to get that ntov loot.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Turp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol ok well I shouldn't of gave ya the time for a response on your server chat trolling.
poor guy.
Go write some more non sense (near schizophrenic ) wutang little boy stories.
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? i dont like spyder i just wanted a cof :-(

[Swish]

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Screen sharing goes back further than the current crop of members in the A/A guilds. It was not widely known by the casuals till recently, because they never had to compete on that level, or heard of it till this raid summit.

Nobody said you HAVE to do any of this. Just expect this level of play style if you plan on competing with A/A.

All the casuals want is that sweet sweet ntov loot, but have no desire to compete with A/A to get it. They will band together, petition for future raid summits, and sirken to try and create a new walled garden C/R system to get that ntov loot.

I don't think there'll be a Class C / Class R system after last time.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Turp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The casual leaders pushed for repop ideas and rotations and FOUGHT LOWER VARIANCE

I'm not sure who exactly you're nerdraging at here. But I'm in a "casual" guild and reducing variance was basically the #1 thing on my list of things I hoped would come from the raid summit. From nearly everyone I talked to in my guild and others it was consistently a top 3 idea that they wanted to see implemented. What I was told is that staff said it's not in the cards and they're happy with the current variance. The summit was specifically to discuss rule changes and nothing was going to change that required coding changes to the server itself (Reduce Variance/Automated Sim Repops.etc) even if the vast majority of the server agrees those kind of changes are what's really needed it's not likely to change.

[Turp]

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Screen sharing goes back further than the current crop of members in the A/A guilds. It was not widely known by the casuals till recently, because they never had to compete on that level, or heard of it till this raid summit.

Nobody said you HAVE to do any of this. Just expect this level of play style if you plan on competing with A/A.

All the casuals want is that sweet sweet ntov loot, but have no desire to compete with A/A to get it. They will band together, petition for future raid summits, and sirken to try and create a new walled garden C/R system to get that ntov loot.

Also do you guys at Awakened put your whole guild or even more than 5 on a skype call?
I guess 2-3 average. They just talk out their ass. You gotta read what I've said though Arum. as you see no leader has responded. They won't. Because i got inboxes full of PMs of them arguing with me that lower variance would NOT help them only mass repops and rotations. They unintentionally forced racing, than have been bitching a storm up to their members to try and reverse it.
I will admit these guys are good at trying to manipulate the staff into another class system , but I hope staff can see threw the bullshit.

You guys are not getting a rotation or mass repops.
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Lower variance and you will get what you was ALL bitching and crying for.
Whats that? well... more loot , more dragons , and the hardcore raiders stuck in ToV why you reap the rewards. I really am about to just say fuck it keep variance and keep taking all your guys mobs. Boo hoo bitch. Your leaders literally have such a hate I guess for old TMO that they can never forget. That they cannot see clearly how a lower variance would help them.
IDK ... kinda done trying to help someone who just wants to troll or be dumb. This is worse than head to brick wall. Even their leaders can't see clearly a 2+2 situation. You guys on the common core? or just going with the flow of dumb shit?

[Mistle]

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Screen sharing goes back further than the current crop of members in the A/A guilds. It was not widely known by the casuals till recently, because they never had to compete on that level, or heard of it till this raid summit.

Nobody said you HAVE to do any of this. Just expect this level of play style if you plan on competing with A/A.

And it has been carefully explained to you that "this level of play style" is absolutely ludicrous, and the GMs should step in and step on the fucktards who think this is reasonable. But...

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All the casuals want is that sweet sweet ntov loot, but have no desire to compete with A/A to get it. They will band together, petition for future raid summits, and sirken to try and create a new walled garden C/R system to get that ntov loot.

...you clearly didn't understand it the first time, and continue to blow this complete bullshit out your arse.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not sure who exactly you're nerdraging at here. But I'm in a "casual" guild...
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Typical casuals. Always reaching ever farther with their palms outstretched.
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[jcr4990]

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I put casual in quotes. I don't know if BDA is casual or not these days according to RNF. It changes from day to day.

[Turp]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not sure who exactly you're nerdraging at here. But I'm in a "casual" guild and reducing variance was basically the #1 thing on my list of things I hoped would come from the raid summit. From nearly everyone I talked to in my guild and others it was consistently a top 3 idea that they wanted to see implemented. What I was told is that staff said it's not in the cards and they're happy with the current variance. The summit was specifically to discuss rule changes and nothing was going to change that required coding changes to the server itself (Reduce Variance/Automated Sim Repops.etc) even if the vast majority of the server agrees those kind of changes are what's really needed it's not likely to change.

Wait man...
I clearly stated I did not know BDA position. But let the rest of them try to say they wanted lower variance. because it is 100% bullshit and ill wait till i feel like it and post their dumb ass responses to my legit message on why variance lower would help them and why fighting for racing and repops would not work. I literally laid them out plans in black in white, including chest (AND I said in a earlier post that he was the only one who did not respond and i didn't know where you guys stood, but very glad to know at least one of the guilds over there is got common sense. It is basic shit)
Maybe I can help but really when you see how the other leaders feel on lower variance you will see why it might be a no hope situation. And if it is, I'm sorry for your guild. It is not the 2 top guilds fault. It is the other guilds like OMNI who fought for repops and rotations and fought against pushing for variance and getting you the end result of...races.