i dont always start threads, but when i do

[Akalakamelee]

Originally Posted by daasgoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

anti-pk guild on a pvp server? that was a real thing? wtf.

Ohhh yes, I know... ascending dawn was of the big ones. Pretty much they did nothing but gear and make guardian twinks (guardian armor had decent stats and was all no drop) as blue as it could get

[Quiet]

Even with its massive numbers, Holo averages 60-70 attendance for any raid. It gives new players a chance to level up and have a shot at pixels cause in doesn't take long for everyone to have what they need. Sure there is a huge line for items like Crown and AoN but everything else is basically handed out.

The best example is epics. When I joined Nihilum had epics on lock-down. If you were not in Nihilum, you didn't get a Ranger/Druid epic. At all. Don't even try. I was on the server 8 months before I got my epic done, look how long Andis took to get his? Year + ?. NIhilum was elitist and although it worked for them, it was detrimental to server population. Now we got members who are on the server a week, 2 - 3 weeks and are up in arms about not having their epics already.

TLDR. People will continue to join so long as the "potential" for loot is there, and in Velious, there's more then enough to go around.

[MavstabYoudead]

TLDR holo = nili.

[Akalakamelee]

I will give credit where it is due, fresh is breaking free of holo and doing its own raids. I would love to see suave vs fresh at this point.

[Steel Warrior]

Fresh has teamed up with Holocaust very few times, and all of them involved fighting Azrael.

[Sheriff]

Originally Posted by Steel Warrior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fresh has teamed up with Holocaust very few times, and all of them involved fighting Azrael.

We look foward to when Fresh contests.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Swyft [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love everything about this post can't disagree with any of it. Holo's recruitment will be the death of pvp if it continues. And yes there are a lot of blue pieces of shit in Azrael that ride the backs of good pvper's that afford them the protection of allowing them to camp certain mobs, you know wtf you are and I've already given you shit in TS.

I don't have such high hopes for Fresh tho, more hope for Sauve to be honest. Fresh is run by Max yea know that lvl 30 de-lvl'd griefer warrior. His only goal is to stick it to Az because he's butthurt. Fresh isn't really even a guild, it's a starter place for Holo members below 50 and you will always see them allied with Holo come raid day. Kind of like Hate and Ruin on Sullon different tags, same assholes.

You're bad at propaganda. Azrael should let someone with half a brain have a crack at it for a while. You and mavstab are just making holo and fresh more attractive to new players.

[MavstabYoudead]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're bad at propaganda. Azrael should let someone with half a brain have a crack at it for a while. You and mavstab are just making holo and fresh more attractive to new players.

you can have all the weak-minded individuals that believe your propaganda.

[Bodybagger]

<Fresh> putting in good work, becoming less of targets for me than <Holo> at this point... was getting bad for a bit there, now <Fresh> back to be mostly people I enjoy... only time will tell.

Who you ally with on raid day means nothing IMO, if you're part of smaller guilds who can't raid/contest alone... I think Fresh would do better to pair with another small guild than to aid Holo or tag along, and try and contest, but none the less understand motives on raid loot. Enemies can form alliances to overcome other enemies *shrug*

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by MavstabYoudead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you can have all the weak-minded individuals that believe your propaganda.

Ok. Then don't cry zerg when you don't get to kill dragons.