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[leewong]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What, that is your argument? That something in the "The bible" (I put quotes, because although the bible is generally the same among all religions that have it, there has been some interpretations that certain things have been corrupted, or misinterpreted and either changed or omitted) couldn't be possibly misinterpreted or rather spoken in such a different tongue that someone like you just doesn't understand it? So God works in such a way that if someone like you fails to understand the meaning or the metaphorical meaning behind something, then he must not be God because he would make it so that idiots like you would understand? Or you know God so well that some things are literal meaning? I'm trying to understand, either way though, you seem to profess your understanding for knowing this benevolent been so well yet claim he doesn't exist at the same time. Maybe you should listen to those who do believes words or understanding rather then coming up with your own understanding that you seem to obviously not get. I'm not saying what Glenzig even says is the correct meaning, I'm just trying to better understand your ignorance.

Try using paragraphs...I only read the first few lines of your wall of text but I will answer anyhow.

If God wanted to provide CLEAR instruction for how he wanted us to live then why didnt he or why couldnt he? This in itself is a clear sign that the Bible was thought up and written by humans...not an all-knowing being.

Imagine if instructions for using your ipod were so cryptic and open to interpretation.

I already know your response...blah, blah, blah...written in a different language, the writer's were channeling God, etc. That still doesnt mean God could not have provided clear instructions that would last throught the ages. Surely, a being that knows everything would know that the Bible would be misused and misinterpreted. If God is all powerful he would know a way to make it crystal clear. Either he is incompetent or uncaring for writing such a shitty book.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You comparison is very poor. We know humans build things, we have found tools around Stonehenge along with other objects which place humans there. When was the last time you seen an omnipotent being create something?

It's irrelevant because even if something was pointed out to you, you would deny. For example, lets say God provided the knowledge or tools to create Stonehenge, you would consider fallacy because he didn't do it with his own hands. There was once a astronomer for example who said that day after day, they could never find anything in space, then one day it was almost as if someone took there hand and moved some kind of invisible wall in space to allow further discovery. Though it was still human discovery, was it not possible for God to assist in such thing because he didn't leave some kind of fingerprint somewhere or some kind of miraculous thing behind to show it was God? You base your belief upon the idea that if God existed the world would be forced into some kind of perfection and that he is so marvelous that faith in him would require miraculous proof.

[iruinedyourday]

heres how it works if you believe in the bible, cool.

if you dont and you understand science, cool.

if you believe in the bible but think science is a religion think you're smarter than people htat understand science, shut the fuck up.

[G13]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Try using paragraphs...I only read the first few lines of your wall of text but I will answer anyhow.

If God wanted to provide CLEAR instruction for how he wanted us to live then why didnt he or why couldnt he? This in itself is a clear sign that the Bible was thought up and written by humans...not an all-knowing being.

Imagine if instructions for using your ipod were so cryptic and open to interpretation.

I already know your response...blah, blah, blah...written in a different language, the writer's were channeling God, etc. That still doesnt mean God could not have provided clear instructions that would last throught the ages. Surely, a being that knows everything would know that the Bible would be misused and misinterpreted. If God is all powerful he would know a way to make it crystal clear. Either he is incompetent or uncaring for writing such a shitty book.

Have you ever read The Bible?

Ever read The New Testament?

The instruction given couldn't be anymore clear

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's irrelevant because even if something was pointed out to you, you would deny. For example, lets say God provided the knowledge or tools to create Stonehenge, you would consider fallacy because he didn't do it with his own hands. There was once a astronomer for example who said that day after day, they could never find anything in space, then one day it was almost as if someone took there hand and moved some kind of invisible wall in space to allow further discovery. Though it was still human discovery, was it not possible for God to assist in such thing because he didn't leave some kind of fingerprint somewhere or some kind of miraculous thing behind to show it was God? You base your belief upon the idea that if God existed the world would be forced into some kind of perfection and that he is so marvelous that faith in him would require miraculous proof.

Absolute dribble. So now you want to credit God with mankind's hard work and achievements? Please provide evidence that supports your claim that an omnipotent being is "providing the knowledge or tools to create". Go on, show me where you have seen a God handing out intellectual property. You might as well be saying a muse from greek mythology inspired all the greatest poetry on Earth. It's nonsense and a cop-out.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Try using paragraphs...I only read the first few lines of your wall of text but I will answer anyhow.

If God wanted to provide CLEAR instruction for how he wanted us to live then why didnt he or why couldnt he? This in itself is a clear sign that the Bible was thought up and written by humans...not an all-knowing being.

Imagine if instructions for using your ipod were so cryptic and open to interpretation.

I already know your response...blah, blah, blah...written in a different language, the writer's were channeling God, etc. That still doesnt mean God could not have provided clear instructions that would last throught the ages. Surely, a being that knows everything would know that the Bible would be misused and misinterpreted. If God is all powerful he would know a way to make it crystal clear. Either he is incompetent or uncaring for writing such a shitty book.

You claim God didn't give clear instructions. You create some kind of grey are that doesn't exist. Better yet, like I mentioned in my response that you quoted, there is somewhat different interpretations of the bible depending on your Christian religion, now assuming God DOES exist, I think they would have to be only one that is true correct? Well, maybe a lot of the core values are true, but then other stuff gets jumbled up and confusing. Even more so considering if the Bible is text from X period and has gone through several different translations, it might be safe to assume that not all of it is proper. Anyways, you seem to not like what said instructions are, so you are concluding that he is incompetent or uncaring? Like I also said, apparently you seem to know God personally, but claim he doesn't exist. I think it's safe to assume that you really have no idea what you are saying.

Also, next time you tell someone that you stopped reading, don't respond to comments that were later in the response. Even more so, I will not break up sentences for you to feel less illiterate because for some reason your brain can't process text without having a big white space between 3-4 lines.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you ever read The Bible?

Ever read The New Testament?

The instruction given couldn't be anymore clear

So no one disagrees on what the Bible says? News to me. You might want to inform the thousands of different denominations of Christianity.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Absolute dribble. So now you want to credit God with mankind's hard work and achievements? Please provide evidence that supports your claim that an omnipotent being is "providing the knowledge or tools to create". Go on, show me where you have seen a God handing out intellectual property. You might as well be saying a muse from greek mythology inspired all the greatest poetry on Earth. It's nonsense and a cop-out.

Lol this proves exactly what I pointed out from the thing you quote. To claim anything is Gods work, you would deny anyways. You just supported everything you quoted to the T.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So no one disagrees on what the Bible says? News to me. You might want to inform the thousands of different denominations of Christianity.

So no one disagrees on what science says? News to me. You might want to inform the thousands of different scientists.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You comparison is very poor. We know humans build things, we have found tools around Stonehenge along with other objects which place humans there. When was the last time you seen an omnipotent being create something?

Who built Stonehenge?