The Great Red Jailbreak of 2014

[Squire]

best metaphor ever

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or you guys could, you know, not associate with people who have dirty ass-whistles. Everyone who was transferred items knew those characters were banned. Everyone who was transferred items knew who they were associating with. Be more cautious, and you won't need to worry about it.

So anyone that has ever been banned should not associate with each other? That is about 90% of the entire project that has been banned at one time or another for violating rules. As stated before when an account became unbanned it is assumed that the only ones with the power to unban were GMs. By affiliation of that power it can be assumed that the character was a justified unbanning. Follow the logic thus far?

You are demanding that the players recognize that this player was banned and that we must confirm before we can associate with this character again...just to be more cautious?

What do you think an 'exploit' is? It's a mistake made in the code that can be abused to gain an unfair or unintended advantage. By your logic, duping isn't an exploit. Next.

So this was a coding error not a "GM error" there was some inherit code in Everquest that allowed a player to log into his otherwise banned account?

Are you sure you know what an exploit is as it relates to this topic?

It's that unspoken rule that says "if you find something you think might even be remotely kind of sort of maybe an exploit, report it immediately, or you can gtfo".

With this kind of logic anything can be unwritten and immediately enforceable without regard to integrity or notification. And did Nizzar not infact report this as soon as he thought it seemed weird that so many people were unbanned that were previously banned?

I know you can fall back on the "we dont talk about other peoples petitions".

You know, that one we made a huge deal about in a big ass announcement thread when 2 people in TMO got caught duping, so we went after any account they had logged in even a single time. Where we also suggested that if you abuse an exploit you are putting not only yourself but everyone around you at risk?

So because they logged into an account and moved items from that unbanned account to legit characters they thought was sanctioned this parallels to duping plat (ergo exploit).

Was that message just not clear enough for everyone? We had hoped it was, but I'll keep in mind that another example may need to be made in the future, because some people still don't get it.

What people dont get is your ignorance of basic doctrine of fairness. If the accounts were suppose to be banned and were "mistakenly" unbanned then reban them. Allow for a amnesty period for people to return items that were not suppose to be moved from the banned accounts.

People really do not care THAT much about these items that they want their accounts perma-banned because of a "gm mistake".

It's more like somebody raided 15 different police stations' confiscated drug stash's because the doors were left unlocked, and then handed the drugs to someone and said 'take these across the border, Juan Pepito, its legit don't worry, the police left the doors open because they want us to take the drugs', and young Pepito took the drugs even though he knew that 15 other police stations doors were left unlocked that day (because all of Pepito's friends and family were talking about it), and maybe (just maybe) that wasn't intentional.

Horrible analogy.

Using your example and putting into perspective the analogy would have to be something like...

1 police station released 15 prisoners from jail. They was not given a reason or explanation they just knew they could leave. So they left. During this time they went to a grocery store and bought food, some went home and slept, some went and got laid (jail cornhole is not satisfying). The next day it is on the news that 15 prisoners escaped from jail and that they are wanted by law enforcement.

Before any prisoners can turn themselves in they are all shot and killed on sight. Family that allowed them to stay overnight where also arrested and put into jail. The grocery clerk that sold them food also jailed for aiding escaped convicts. Their girlfriends and wives also jailed....

All because police made a mistake and allowed the prisoners to leave?

You think that would hold up in a court of law or even pass a logical truth test?

That's quite the hat you got their pal. Although it's weird that every guild has banned accounts, lots of people knew about this by the time I was made aware of it, and yet almost none of them took advantage of it. DATS WEIRD RITE?

Who knows why. The window of time that it was noticed and corrected was very small. Perhaps they just didnt have time to do it.

Don't associate with dirty whistles, and you won't have to worry about getting your whistle dirty. Pretty simple.

Welcome to a 5 man box!

[Nothxu]

This was handled poorly.

People are using metaphors because it is absolutely absurd how you are perma-banning ADDITIONAL characters for helping to transfer or move items off of characters that were once banned.

Instead of permanently banning people, why not just fix the error that was made by staff (it's not like the players hacked and got their characters back) and ban the people that should have remained banned? Everyone knows that you can trace activity and follow where items go. Why would anyone risk getting items back if they thought they were doing something malicious? People were probably eager to use items that have been held up for a long time on a banned character. You have also previously unbanned people because of an upcoming expansion. We have an upcoming expansion and this could have easily been the case.

Post on forums saying people were unbanned on accident, warn people that if they received items from a previously banned character, they should post on the forums to determine the best way to return the items (or delete), and move on.

Banning more people because of a mistake in the code seems completely crazy and heavy handed. I am pretty disappointed in the staff. It's almost like you sat in a room and thought about how you could further ban people that enjoy playing the game and keep logging into to a emulator with 100 people. Keep it up and you will lose even more people.

[Nocsucow]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So anyone that has ever been banned should not associate with each other? That is about 90% of the entire project that has been banned at one time or another for violating rules. As stated before when an account became unbanned it is assumed that the only ones with the power to unban were GMs. By affiliation of that power it can be assumed that the character was a justified unbanning. Follow the logic thus far?

You are demanding that the players recognize that this player was banned and that we must confirm before we can associate with this character again...just to be more cautious?




So this was a coding error not a "GM error" there was some inherit code in Everquest that allowed a player to log into his otherwise banned account?

Are you sure you know what an exploit is as it relates to this topic?



With this kind of logic anything can be unwritten and immediately enforceable without regard to integrity or notification. And did Nizzar not infact report this as soon as he thought it seemed weird that so many people were unbanned that were previously banned?

I know you can fall back on the "we dont talk about other peoples petitions".



So because they logged into an account and moved items from that unbanned account to legit characters they thought was sanctioned this parallels to duping plat (ergo exploit).



What people dont get is your ignorance of basic doctrine of fairness. If the accounts were suppose to be banned and were "mistakenly" unbanned then reban them. Allow for a amnesty period for people to return items that were not suppose to be moved from the banned accounts.

People really do not care THAT much about these items that they want their accounts perma-banned because of a "gm mistake".



Horrible analogy.

Using your example and putting into perspective the analogy would have to be something like...

1 police station released 15 prisoners from jail. They was not given a reason or explanation they just knew they could leave. So they left. During this time they went to a grocery store and bought food, some went home and slept, some went and got laid (jail cornhole is not satisfying). The next day it is on the news that 15 prisoners escaped from jail and that they are wanted by law enforcement.

Before any prisoners can turn themselves in they are all shot and killed on sight. Family that allowed them to stay overnight where also arrested and put into jail. The grocery clerk that sold them food also jailed for aiding escaped convicts. Their girlfriends and wives also jailed....

All because police made a mistake and allowed the prisoners to leave?

You think that would hold up in a court of law or even pass a logical truth test?



Who knows why. The window of time that it was noticed and corrected was very small. Perhaps they just didnt have time to do it.





Welcome to a 5 man box!

shut the fuck up dude

[Nothxu]

It's also funny that the GMs are saying "whoa lots of shitty metaphors" when your own GM started the thread with a shitty metaphor.

Lame shit.

[Koota]

Originally Posted by Nocsucow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

SHUT THE FUCK UP DUDE,, GODDAMN !!!

He makes valid points. Relax, psycho.

[Derubael]

I will be the first to admit that every analogy in this thread is fucking terrible.

Except caveman rape. That one was A+.

[COLGATETHEGRANDMASTER]

i for one am proud of derupal for taking a firm stance against these exploiting scumbags who tried to cover their tracks by spreading items across multiple characters

if you guys dont want to get banned, how about you dont pull shady shit and try to make a mess that you hope the GMs wont clean up

if anyone is actually innocent, maybe they should direct their complaints to the piece of shit that included them in their scumbaggery, or better yet realize that it's their fault for affiliating themselves with the guild that harbors the largest(by a massive margin) concentration of filthy whistle players the server has ever seen

[Pokeman]

sum1 quote the caveman rape post [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] too many tears in this thread to wade through and find

[Nothxu]

You should be the first one admit you handled the situation poorly and rectify it by unbanning the people who were not banned in the first place. Give them a chance to give whatever items they got back. Everything can be fucking tracked, why would someone transfer items on a massively geared level 60 if they thought there was any risk running into issues?

This is actually the only decent analogy with some edits:

1 police station released 15 prisoners from jail because they fucked up their work schedule and left their posts. Prisoners have been released before for no reason and nothing ever happened to them, sometimes this police station does this. They were not given a reason or explanation they just knew they could leave. So they left. During this time they went to a grocery store and bought food, some went home and slept, some went and got laid (jail cornhole is not satisfying). The next day it is on the news that 15 prisoners escaped from jail and that they are wanted by law enforcement.

Before any prisoners can turn themselves in they are all shot and killed on sight. Family that allowed them to stay overnight where also arrested and put into jail. The grocery clerk that sold them food also jailed for aiding escaped convicts. Their girlfriends, boyfriends, and wives also jailed....

The police that did the executions themselves had beef with the prisoners and their relatives and hoped for more executions for people who they knew would help them.