Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by reborn649 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Posted this on another thread, but posting it here as well:

I played on VZ a couple years and anytime something spawned, it was an all out war to get first dibs. After a bunch of friends decided to go blue, i tagged along and it was all about who could get to what mob first and down it. We want classic, that's as classic as you can get. A rotation is no different than raid instances in WoW and earning enough points to down XYZ mob next week is about the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You guys wanted classic EQ and everything your arguing is not viable on a blue server. Go PvP if you wanna stop guilds from killing XYZ mob. If that doesn't sound fun, then figure out a different way to compete.

My point is, we all quit so many MMO's (for most probably WoW), because they became to easy and felt like a handout. At what point do you stop and realize we might be doing the same thing on P99 if end game competition is removed? Mobs like VS/Trak/CT/VP were always super competitive. Could "higher end guilds" back off of Talendor/Fay/Gore/Etc...that makes sense. But don't take all the competition out of the game or were back to easy mode, which will only keep things fun for so long. If you don't believe me, why aren't you still playing the last 10 MMO's you tried out?

We cant love EQ because its hard and then complain its hard down the road...no matter what is making it difficult at the time. Guilds, disagreements with camps, cant get X npc to spawn after camping it 24hrs straight, etc...

Don't kill mobs then if that's what makes eq hard or "classic" for you. Most of us want to experience things we did or didn't do on live, and are getting super impeded by the few that think we should be competing 10x harder than we did on live to experinece it.

[Joroz]

Originally Posted by baramur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You cannot create a system that makes lower tier guilds have equal loot rights as upper tier guilds.

It doesn't matter how much time people WANT to put in... this discussion is being brought up on how to fix the raid scene for EVERYONE and not just the 2 top guilds... whatever solution is agreed on should be equal for all guilds that raid and allow for new guilds to be coming up... No one gives a shit if someone wants to put 1000 hours in or 1 hour in, if they show up they should have the same shot as anyone. This agreement needs to address passing of recently killed mobs on to other raiders and not just passing them back and forth between guilds that keep throwing around they are at the top guilds... wtf that really means.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Joroz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't matter how much time people WANT to put in... this discussion is being brought up on how to fix the raid scene for EVERYONE and not just the 2 top guilds... whatever solution is agreed on should be equal for all guilds that raid and allow for new guilds to be coming up... No one gives a shit if someone wants to put 1000 hours in or 1 hour in, if they show up they should have the same shot as anyone. This agreement needs to address passing of recently killed mobs on to other raiders and not just passing them back and forth between guilds that keep throwing around they are at the top guilds... wtf that really means.

Equitable sharing != Equal Sharing

It is reasonable to expect some ability to meaningfully participate in the endgame as a casual. Say, one repop every few weeks. Or, perhaps 7 days of no raiding from the hardcores.

It is just as reasonable for a dedicated group to expect greater returns from their greater investment.

Whatever scheme is adopted should be equitable. Equal sharing of raid mobs is a bandaid that does not address the core issue, nor does it respect the logic of both sides.

[quido]

I wish we could throw full repops into the discussion, but without definite word from the staff that they're going to happen, it's kind of pointless.

Please Rogean, give us regular (not even frequent) full repops. Shit's classic bros.

[Joroz]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Equitable sharing != Equal Sharing

It is reasonable to expect some ability to meaningfully participate in the endgame as a casual. Say, one repop every few weeks. Or, perhaps 7 days of no raiding from the hardcores.

It is just as reasonable for a dedicated group to expect greater returns from their greater investment.

Whatever scheme is adopted should be equitable. Equal sharing of raid mobs is a bandaid that does not address the core issue, nor does it respect the logic of both sides.

There was no mention of equal sharing... just that the agreement gives reasonable opportunity to any and all raids on every raid mob. For that to work there needs to be a hand's off time period on mobs you recently killed sort of like the 2 hour thing you got going now. People claiming to be so elite on here that only they can kill stuff in off hours what do you care if you bat-phone it 2 hours later after watching no one show up or even worse new raids actually attempting raid mobs.

[baramur]

Originally Posted by Joroz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't matter how much time people WANT to put in... this discussion is being brought up on how to fix the raid scene for EVERYONE and not just the 2 top guilds... whatever solution is agreed on should be equal for all guilds that raid and allow for new guilds to be coming up... No one gives a shit if someone wants to put 1000 hours in or 1 hour in, if they show up they should have the same shot as anyone. This agreement needs to address passing of recently killed mobs on to other raiders and not just passing them back and forth between guilds that keep throwing around they are at the top guilds... wtf that really means.

Your right, everyone should start at 60 with epics and full planar gear. Seriously EQ was never meant for the log on for 1 hour and kill a raid mob scene. Hey i agree everyone should have a chance to enjoy the end boss mobs, but not to the effect everyone has an equal share. IF thats what you want, join live now and have fun with the instanced raids.

[Yinikren]

You talk about this equality thing like we are beneath you.

Drafting my ideas for a weighted points based raiding system now.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Yinikren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You talk about this equality thing like we are beneath you.

Nobody is genuinely denigrating people for not caring as much about mobs, but the system needs to account for the efforts of the hardcore more than what you're proposing.

[Yinikren]

The efforts of the hardcore will go into competing for higher value mobs based on what your guild currently needs.

You guys talk about this like it is a numbers game. It never was and never will be. People couldn't care less how many dragons you kill if another guild gets a CT for an unfinished epic. This system helps enable that, you guys just don't like hearing it.

[Yinikren]

Your negotions are a mob for one guild every 5-6 attempts. Try fitting 5 more in.