Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[radditsu]

I agree there are more players than loot going around. I also think that it would/could have been a great deal less toxic if a rule that allows player griefing was not put into effect. I will say again, if a guild has killed enough trakanons to gather keys for VP. They put in a sufficient amount of effort to be afforded a chance at VP mobs without griefing. The entire root of the situation in now stem's from training/douchebaggery/lawyering that went on in the past.

You have 6 months tops til Velious. Do you really think that a train war will REALLY keep the sleeper from being woken? IB was getting VP dragon kills with the trains, and that's a far worse place trash wise than sleepers. If you can find the people to do it, it will be done. You will not have a vanguard of people 24 hours/7 days a week/365 days a year to do that. IB for instance, could camp a raid force out, wait for you to kill the third warder, train the 4th on top of you, login and kill it while you recover. Good luck getting a big enough train going when 90% of your raid is down the tunnel. That stuff had a fairly long respawn time if I am not mistaken. Also, I am sure they would have counter trainers stationed at the open parts ready to pull that stuff off of you. The entire premise of keeping training in VP to allow it in ST is illogical. It just perpetuates the core issue. Intentional griefing..NO MATTER WHO DOES IT.. is wrong against another player.

You can't keep the douchebag's from being douchebag's if they want to. EQMAC sleeper is a prime example of this. I mean they had less people due to levels/gear but the point is the same. The only thing you can do is ban them when they do things against the rules, and blackball them if they do not get banned. Everybody is so terrible to each other here its the freaking norm to not even try to blackball.

Another note:
Personally I think it would be cool...after the Sleeper is awoken, have a year of post sleeper, then it revert back for a few weeks/month, to get a shot at actually killing him. It would give people a chance to see the "ending" of the game. Wanting to experience content on a blue nostalgia simulator, what a concept!

[quido]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IB was getting VP dragon kills with the trains

In the interest of not rewriting history, please allow me to point out that this is absolutely not true. IB never got a single kill in VP under duress of trains.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the interest of not rewriting history, please allow me to point out that this is absolutely not true. IB never got a single kill in VP under duress of trains.

Yeah, they only managed to get them while under a rotation.

About the most successful thing I remember them doing is training us to death right after we downed a dragon and held us up from looting for a few mins.

[getsome]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, they only managed to get them while under a rotation.

About the most successful thing I remember them doing is training us to death right after we downed a dragon and held us up from looting for a few mins.

We were going to destroy that loot. Rogean came in and made the first VP rule that night.

The dragons you prevented us from killing were "your ups" not ours. The rotation was put back in place to allow for equal distribution of mobs during the entire time both guilds coexisted in VP. TMO never got one additional dragon in VP until we left.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by getsome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We were going to destroy that loot. Rogean came in and made the first VP rule that night.

The dragons you prevented us from killing were "your ups" not ours. The rotation was put back in place to allow for equal distribution of mobs during the entire time both guilds coexisted in VP. TMO never got one additional dragon in VP until we left.

So you agree IB could not kill a dragon without a rotation... thanks. Carebears

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by getsome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We were going to destroy that loot. Rogean came in and made the first VP rule that night.

The dragons you prevented us from killing were "your ups" not ours. The rotation was put back in place to allow for equal distribution of mobs during the entire time both guilds coexisted in VP. TMO never got one additional dragon in VP until we left.

Actually, we took your week after you guys failed to do the takeover.

So, we may not have actually gained additional dragons in a sense, but in the same sense you lost a weeks worth of them.

If my memory is correct that is.

PS. Pretty sure by us taking that week, we gave you the PD that had double robes.

EDIT PS: I'm not even close to 100% on this, but I vaguely remember Rogean giving you guys the OKAY to train the corpse till it rotted.

[kotton05]

^ for president

[radditsu]

umm no?

[radditsu]

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[Nietche]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I think Nilbog, Nirgon, and a couple of others will agree that the problem with p99 red has less to do with its being "PVP" and more to do with the "rules of PvP" put in place by Rogean (viz., no item loot).