Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't use what you don't bring

This is true. You can't use a Shaman when you bring a Druid instead, and vice versa. I am not sure how that proves your point though.

[fortior]

You can't use ports if you don't bring a porter, that's the entire idea of this thought experiment. Good luck walking, hope you don't fall off the boat

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't use ports if you don't bring a porter, that's the entire idea of this thought experiment. Good luck walking, hope you don't fall off the boat

Thanks! Luckily there are plenty of porters available to remove the necessity of taking the boats. In my many years of playing on P99 I don't think I have ever needed to take the boat due to a lack of porters. Usually I do it for fun, or if I need to get to a zone that cannot be ported to.

[fortior]

I'm a monk and I'd rather duo with an enchanter than a shaman. The reason I duo with shamans is that I'd just slow down an enchanter, while shamans are so much worse in comparison (but really, which class isn't) that the duo feels like way more of an equitable agreement.

[fortior]

Did this guy just forget you can only have 1 charm pet per character or something? Lol

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did this guy just forget you can only have 1 charm pet per character or something? Lol

Not at all. The "redundancy" argument is simply a fuzzy term people use when they can't provide more concrete evidence.

The argument is "Shamans have some overlapping spells with an Enchanter, therefore they are useless in this group".

That logic breaks down because I can say the same thing for both a Cleric and a second Enchanter. The Cleric has Stun/Root/Lull, and the second Enchanter has the exact same spellbook.

If you think there is an issue with the redundancy, you need to concisely explain why, so it can be explored.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That logic breaks down because I can say the same thing for both a Cleric and a second Enchanter. The Cleric has Stun/Root/Lull, and the second Enchanter has the exact same spellbook.

If you think there is an issue with the redundancy, you need to concisely explain why, so it can be explored.

A second enchanter can charm a second pet. Everythine else is redundant. If the second enchanter couldn't charm a second pet, there would be zero reason to have two enchanters in the group, I would think. But they can charm a second pet, and that's good enough.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A second enchanter can charm a second pet. Everythine else is redundant. If the second enchanter couldn't charm a second pet, there would be zero reason to have two enchanters in the group, I would think. But they can charm a second pet, and that's good enough.

If redundancy was that bad, you would pick a Mage over an Enchanter, because they would cover the DPS and also not have redundant spells.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If redundancy was that bad, you would pick a Mage over an Enchanter, because they would cover the DPS and also not have redundant spells.

Sure you convinced me, changing my answer to enchanter/mage/cleric/druid.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If redundancy was that bad, you would pick a Mage over an Enchanter, because they would cover the DPS and also not have redundant spells.

Wait, hold on...

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shaman Enchanter Enchanter Cleric. If you are planning on doing Fungi Tunic camp then probably swap 1 Enchanter for a Necro, so they can pull.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Enchanters are providing the vast majority of the DPS via charmed pets. The Mage pet isn't doing that much hehe.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most DPS is still coming from the Charmed pets.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember, I never said underpowered = bad. It just means Mages don't bring a lot to the table (which they sadly don't outside of CoTH). I wouldn't bring a Mage if that's all they can do.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The argument isn't "Mage is better because of preference", people are arguing "Mages objectively do a ton of damage, therefore bring them instead of another class."

But at least for the Seb example, the numbers aren't adding up to make Mages special at all.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only delusion here is your assumption the game can only be played in a manner that makes Mages look good.

I am sorry, Mages really just aren't that good.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We aren't talking about Enchanters. We already agree we are bringing at least 2 lol.

When did you change your mind on mages?