Lord Nagafen & Lady Vox status (post 52 restriction)

[karsten]

heh

skope's still mad we've decided to not just give him free raid mobs

the more text you spew, the clearer that becomes to me and to everyone else, so let's call a spade a spade, shall we?

[karsten]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good. Then stop leapfrogging. You can make the case for CT up to a certain point, depending on how much of Fear had been cleared by the guild you're about to snipe him from, but other than that...

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If Xzerion wasn't talking out his ass about expecting TR to take the high road, and you aren't talking out of your ass here, then effective immediately, your guild should stop leapfrogging/sniping targets out from other guilds. Let them attempt. Don't interfere. They out-mobilized you fair and square. THAT is the competition you said you wanted. Feel free to grab the mob after they fail. There would be a lot more respect for the top guilds around here, the server raid scene wouldn't be so miserable, and you might actually have to work to out-mobilize instead of falling back on "No matter, we'll just rush past them and gank Naggy while they pull the last FGs."

I highly suspect you guys are just all talk though about the "higher road" thing, amirite? Because leapfrogging is not the higher road. Once more for good measure from the Project Manager of P99:

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yendor I see what you're getting at here of course, but I for one am not going to let another guild dictate to mine when it is appropriate or not appropriate to kill a dragon. And I trust you see where I'm coming from on this as well.

Let's even take CT out of the equation for the time being, given how booter has already demonstrated just how stupid a guild would be to let some other guild clear the entire plane of fear and let them attempt ct if they had happened to have been in there clearing trash when he popped.

Is the definition of efficiency on raid mobs not the ability to kill them as quickly as possible with the personnel available? Should guild A be punished, say, in vox's lair or in KC, because guild B sucks too hard to get to the target in time?

In this sense, would cockblocking another guild from a boss attempt because you are taking your time killing the last two ice giants not in fact be the less fair scenario?

[Zenlina]

Throughout these forums keep hearing other random guild besides the two involved throwing random rant out there. TMO since i have joined it has been civil to most guild besides TR and for good reasons. Maybe that 1-2 time in sky with the taken thing, but the mobs respawns within 2 hours or less anyways so kind of stupid there. With divinity we have been pretty decent with you guys and even offer to help but still not good enough i guess.

Any speculation towards TMO if you are not TR is to me second hand info you guys reading on these forums. This isnt a PR control or anything, just find it abit stupid to judge off some other random persons review from competing guild.

Now so far with TMO if say we hear BDA or divinity or taken or whoever in another plane for example like on the reset, we move onto another boss (Unless its TR of-cause). I have yet to see us try to gang zerg any of any other guilds boss or even us attempting to go into the same zone to snip things as loke puts it. So, unless you experience our dick moves on your raid, please reform from putting us in the same bullshit TR has done to OP.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is the definition of efficiency on raid mobs not the ability to kill them as quickly as possible with the personnel available? Should guild A be punished, say, in vox's lair or in KC, because guild B sucks too hard to get to the target in time?

Ah, but that's not the point we we're debating here... you're trying to re-direct to "might makes right". I was calling Xzerion and now, by extension you (since you backed up his quote) out that TR is expected to take the higher road. "Might makes right" is not the higher moral road by any sense of the phrase, and I am just exploring whether you and the rest of the TR leadership have seriously deluded yourselves into thinking that.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I'll take it a step further:

Xzerion and Karsten both essentially say that TR is expected to take the higher road. Nilbog confirms the rest of the server's suspicions that it is a dick move to leapfrog other guilds. Therefore, we know that taking the higher road does not include leapfrogging other guilds. So I can think of some possibilities here:

a) TR needs to reign in it's members and hold them accountable for taking the higher road.

b) Xzerion and Karsten are all talk about this "higher road" stuff.

c) TR somehow has deluded themselves into thinking dick moves is taking the higher road.

d) When they said they are expected to take the higher road, we all thought they meant from a moral perspective, but it was meant in a more literal sense as the other guild is busy fighting mobs on the lower road so taking the higher one is the most effective way to leapfrog them.

So, which is it?

[Skope]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

heh

skope's still mad we've decided to not just give him free raid mobs

the more text you spew, the clearer that becomes to me and to everyone else, so let's call a spade a spade, shall we?

Karsten, if you're going to put standards on the table that you and your guildleader seem to think you abide by then you should at least live up to them. if we take a look at your guild's behavior over the past 2 months that go against everything you guys said (if you want the details feel free to PM me) then

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

let's call a spade a spade, shall we?

btw, it's not that you're dicks to us, but because you're so caught up being dicks to TMO and vice versa, you subsequently end up being dicks to everyone.

[druziil]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is the definition of efficiency on raid mobs not the ability to kill them as quickly as possible with the personnel available? Should guild A be punished, say, in vox's lair or in KC, because guild B sucks too hard to get to the target in time?

You still think your way is the only way and that is fucked up. What makes you the decider of how EQ should be played? Also if you want to talk about efficiency, isn't wasting your free time on a 12 year old emulated game server severely inefficient way to go through life? You guys are such giant hypocrites and outright assholes, and you want us to swallow your poison. Well fuck you.

For the rest of us, the enjoyment comes from having good times doing fun things with friends. How many PoFear clusterfucks or fire giant trains before everyone starts to lose interest in the server? Then who are you going to sell your tradeable dragon loots too?

[karsten]

Originally Posted by druziil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

having good times doing fun things with friends.

that is specifically and virtually solely why I play this or any other game dudes, and anyone who has spent any time with me ought to be quite acutely aware of this fact.

Of course, if the goal is primarily one of social interaction as an intrinsic value rather than a functional value, I'd play the sims

[jarshale]

threads like these make me glad I don't play as much as I did on live

[karsten]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Karsten, if you're going to put standards on the table that you and your guildleader seem to think you abide by then you should at least live up to them. if we take a look at your guild's behavior over the past 2 months that go against everything you guys said (if you want the details feel free to PM me) then

I will venture to say that regardless of the standards that we have and work to adhere to, both in guild culture and policy, they will A: not be what you want and B: as such not really important to need to justify to you.

The cynical person will sorta puh-puh the idea that we care about who we are as a guild entity, but the fact is that we've got people putting a large number of hours striving towards being both competitive and cool. It won't work all the time, and that is also exacerbated by the fact that we're all on the internet in a relatively consequence-free environment, but the fact remains and I would encourage folks to be prescient of that fact.