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[Zuranthium]

Warrens should not give Paineel faction, what do they care about some dogs in a cave. Should need to kill casters in Erudin to get Paineel faction.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Warrens should not give Paineel faction, what do they care about some dogs in a cave. Should need to kill casters in Erudin to get Paineel faction.

Killing Erudin guards is fun. I did that on my SK for a bit.

[Jimjam]

I believe it is meant to read ‘overestimated’ how much faction was got. If you’re not already quite evil the faction is a real drag.i have done a lot of AoE in the warrens and sniping names and boy was it slow for a human wizard (paineel hates wizards).

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Warrens should not give Paineel faction, what do they care about some dogs in a cave. Should need to kill casters in Erudin to get Paineel faction.

Agreed, game design wise.

[Duik]

You *can* do it and get 100% XP you are correct.
Huzzah.
But the instant cast nature (of the ring) will afford you the ability to break charm at a lower and more constant % more easily than trying to time it everytime not including fizzles, interupts and other random occurences.

This will not help.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You *can* do it and get 100% XP you are correct.
Huzzah.
But the instant cast nature (of the ring) will afford you the ability to break charm at a lower and more constant % more easily than trying to time it everytime not including fizzles, interupts and other random occurences.

This will not help.

You have no proof that the instant cast nature of the Goblin Ring gives you an advantage. You can see that you can do the same thing without the Goblin Ring, so how do you know when the Goblin Ring actually helped vs a normal scenario where it didn't? Ring of Stealthy Travel won't fizzle either, and a 2 second cast isn't very easy to interrupt.

[Zuranthium]

A single video of charming an unhasted shitter MOB and being able to break the charm at an ideal time with a 5 second invis cast doesn't mean it's guaranteed to go like that all the time.

You're also not factoring in the cost of casting invis. And even with the Ring of Stealthy Travel instead, any amount of time spent casting is potentially losing a meditate tick. Having an instant invis is a benefit.

Whether or not someone wants to do the Goblin Gazughi Ring camp while leveling should be based on their mood probably. Are you feeling like you would enjoy looking at the Lake of Ill Omen environment and want to earn the ring for yourself instead of buying it? Then certainly go do it. There faster places to level, but if you get the ring then it's time well spent.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A single video of charming an unhasted shitter MOB and being able to break the charm at an ideal time with a 5 second invis cast doesn't mean it's guaranteed to go like that all the time.

You are correct that one video isn't conclusive evidence. I never claimed one video was conclusive evidence.

The point of the video is to show you don't need Goblin Ring to get 100% XP on both mobs, and you don't need Goblin Ring to save on nuke mana.

This means it is up to the Goblin Ring advocates to provide evidence that Goblin Ring instant cast invis actually helps you get 100% XP on both mobs, or that it helps you save on nuke mana. So far zero evidence has been provided for this. 1 video > 0 videos. How can you actually know when Goblin Ring instant cast invis helped and when it didn't if you can do the same things without Goblin Ring?

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're also not factoring in the cost of casting invis. And even with the Ring of Stealthy Travel instead, any amount of time spent casting is potentially losing a meditate tick. Having an instant invis is a benefit.

I am advocating for using a 0 mana invis clickie. I said this many times in the thread already. You won't lose a meditate tick on Ring of Stealthy Travel, it has a 2 second cast time. You have 4 seconds to sit down. The point of using cast invis in the video was to show that even 5 seconds of casting time didn't cause me to lose the mobs, or spend more on nuke mana.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You won't lose a meditate tick on Ring of Stealthy Travel, it has a 2 second cast time. You have 4 seconds to sit down.

You're not going to be timing it around ticks, lol, rather using it at the precise time to break the charm. It will lead to losing meditate ticks sometimes. This is quite minor overall, but it's still a factor for why instant cast abilities are always stronger than those with cast time. Another consideration is getting random aggro and being able to use an ability without being interrupted.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're not going to be timing it around ticks, lol, rather using it at the precise time to break the charm. It will lead to losing meditate ticks sometimes. This is quite minor overall, but it's still a factor for why instant cast abilities are always stronger than those with cast time. Another consideration is getting random aggro and being able to use an ability without being interrupted.

If you are not timing ticks you'll miss med ticks with Goblin Ring too. You have to be actively keeping track of ticks if you really want to try and avoid med tick loss.

[Zuranthium]

The whole point is, the more you're casting, the more frequently you will miss meditate ticks. Plus every other opportunity cost that comes from taking time to perform an action rather than being able to do it instantly.