Warriors are useless in 90% of the games content

[Toxigen]

yeah so back in the real world 2 handers are pretty sweet these days

premo 1 handers for raiding

[Samoht]

That's not even going to work. When you remove your 2h, your offhand is basically going to fire immediately. You'd then equip your offhand weapon and hope that your main hand doesn't fire before you get the 2 hander back in.

Guaranteed dps loss.

The only reason weapon twisting works for monks is because they have h2h skill. You watch combat logs, wait for 2h swing, then unequip, wait for fist swing, re-equip. It works for warriors the exact same way, except it does significantly less damage.

Not worth.

[Gloomlord]

Ironic, considering he went off at DSM for a while.

[Ripqozko]

He who remains

[enjchanter]

I'm bout to go zero mode

[Snaggles]

Most knights can just hover-swap their epic and not lose anything off the delay timer. Even the SK epic vs the tunare sword is a 6 delay difference pre-haste (for those w/o slam).

The issue is...its not much dps. Even a hover click isnt worth it. Hell, it's barely worth kicking as anything but a monk on a raid target. My last ranger vindi I did 100 dps and just over 11k damage, I kicked three times, I did a total of 20 damage from kick.

The off-hand swap isnt worth it. Most quality 2h's are around 40 delay, fully hasted that's 20 delay. It's 2 seconds before your MH fires. If you are doing enough damage to be noticable on a parse you are more worried about dumping aggro and not dying than swapping in an offhand weapon for more dps.

[Crede]

I'm going to pull a DSM here and demand some logs to see what the actual DPS difference could be. If it amounts to like 1-2 dps tops, not worth it IMO to go totally apeshit with APM. Despite what people think, player fatigue is a thing and you will burn out faster doing this. If it's going to be more significant, say for instance similar to what the 52/58 SK pet can put out, then I could potentially be on board.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Plenty of time to swap a weapon, drop aggro with a spell or evade/flop macro, glug a Wort and refresh a junk buff. EQ raiding is just Dance Dance Revolution with a keyboard after-all.

Raiding is not all of EQ and even when raiding you don't always need to be dropping aggro or managing buffs in combat. For a Monk it's laughable to suggest that it's difficult to just click the weapon on and off for fist damage while managing to flop as needed. If you're a Warrior tanking, then you're not trying to drop aggro in the first place, LMAO. You're either using a clicky to build aggro at the start of the fight or you're just sitting there auto-attacking and pressing one combat skill button when refreshed. If "only attacking" is what's happening, then maximum effectiveness is 2-hander + offhand swapping.

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm going to pull a DSM here and demand some logs to see what the actual DPS difference could be. If it amounts to like 1-2 dps tops, not worth it IMO to go totally apeshit with APM. If it's going to be more significant, say for instance similar to what the 52/58 SK pet can put out, then I could potentially be on board.

The difference is easily calculatable. Just plug in the numbers for a character's dual wield chance and the damage of the weapon being used. Using an offhand is obviously more than 1-2 DPS; that's already completely obvious when dual-wielding normally. It's braindead how certain people are saying swapping to an offhand "doesn't matter" or is only "theoretical", when this has been done since 1999 and was used to win BotB.

Quick calculation example: for a Ranger at Level 60 using Shovel of the Harvest + Scimitar of the Emerald Dawn (their best 2H + offhand combo), the offhand swap creates a 22% increase in DPS compared to not weapon swapping. That percentage increases when using a 2-hander that isn't the absolute best, like for example the Argent Defender that is easily obtainable on p99 (and makes swapping more user friendly, because of the longer delay); 26% increase in that case.

[plzrelax]

Also if you mess up at any point or misclick that would ruin the whole thing

[Toxigen]

at least dsm has real numbers to go by

this joker is just "but muh theoretical says this is good"