Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

The only impressive thing is how Raj has almost 100 posts and not 1 of them actually contributes to the thread he is posting on. It's easy to be a troll account[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Raj]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only impressive thing is how Raj has almost 100 posts and not 1 of them actually contributes to the thread he is posting on. It's easy to be a troll account[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More posts please like this my friend! Finally we are in agreement on something. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Vexenu]

Wait, are you conceding that a Shaman cannot in fact out-DPS a Mage in realistic scenarios (aka actual EQ not theoretical forumquest)

Because that's been the entire argument. No one has suggested that Shamans don't have utility. Just that their utility is largely wasted with two Enchanters and a Cleric. And it's true the Mage DPS wouldn't be needed either, which is why Necro makes the best fourth wheel, since they add much more utility than either the Shaman or Mage.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait, are you conceding that a Shaman cannot in fact out-DPS a Mage in realistic scenarios (aka actual EQ not theoretical forumquest)

Because that's been the entire argument. No one has suggested that Shamans don't have utility. Just that their utility is largely wasted with two Enchanters and a Cleric. And it's true the Mage DPS wouldn't be needed either, which is why Necro makes the best fourth wheel, since they add much more utility than either the Shaman or Mage.

Lol You didn't read. Again.

Remember when I did the DPS calculation, and Shamans were at 70 and Mages were at 80? Last time I checked 70 isn't greater than 80[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I did not say that Shamans are out-DPSing a Mage. I am saying a small difference in DPS (10-30 as the math shows) is not enough to justify bringing a Mage over a Shaman. It's really that simple. You are getting a lot more out of a Shaman's utility than 10-30 DPS in a group with 2 Enchanters.

You are probably thinking about when we were talking about maximum DPS numbers. A Shaman can out-DPS a Mage if they are root/rotting mobs due to how many DoTs you can stack. That doesn't mean it is sustainable, but Troxx at one point was claiming 175 DPS on his Mage, which is obviously him nuke spamming. Shamans can also deal a lot of damage in a less sustainable way hehe.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but Troxx at one point was claiming 175 DPS on his Mage, which is obviously him nuke spamming. Shamans can also deal a lot of damage in a less sustainable way hehe.

I really wish you would stop putting words in my mouth. I actually said that before the nerf I would average 100-120 dps with lows as low as 80ish and burns as high as 200+.

From parses linked last night (post nerf) I said my highest burn (not sure if I even included it) was 175dps and lowest was 72. Average of averages floated soundly right around 100-105 post nerf and with an unfocused water pet. Averages of averages did not capture dmg shield at all which was kept up on the tank 100% of the time.

Quit being disingenuous and quit quoting average dps of 80 from your retarded napkin math exercises. It wasn’t 80, it was considerably higher.

Disingenuous much?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really wish you would stop putting words in my mouth. I actually said that before the nerf I would average 100-120 dps with lows as low as 80ish and burns as high as 200+.

From parses linked last night (post nerf) I said my highest burn (not sure if I even included it) was 175dps and lowest was 72. Average of averages floated soundly right around 100-105 post nerf and with an unfocused water pet. Averages of averages did not capture dmg shield at all which was kept up on the tank 100% of the time.

Quit being disingenuous and quit quoting average dps of 80 from your retarded napkin math exercises. It wasn’t 80, it was considerably higher.

Disingenuous much?

No, you're the one putting words in my mouth[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You indeed claim 175 DPS. I didn't say you claimed it as an average.

You were using 175 DPS at the high end, and I haven't said otherwise. But if we want to get into the "What is the max damage you can do" territory, a Shaman can hit 175 too.

[Troxx]

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[Jibartik]

I say we see which group can kill a named mob faster..

lets pick one out of a hat.... Phinigel.

[Zuranthium]

No, you don't do that on your own with Torpor. Once again, you do not have the TIME to perma sit there spamming Torpor + Canni. You have to actually cast your damage spells if you want to do DPS. You need the Cleric to heal you if you want to do theoretical maximum DPS.

Interesting how you ignored the other part of the post too, detailing how Shaman spell DPS in this group is actually only going to be about 28.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you don't do that on your own with Torpor. Once again, you do not have the TIME to perma sit there spamming Torpor + Canni. You have to actually cast your damage spells if you want to do DPS. You need the Cleric to heal you if you want to do theoretical maximum DPS.

Interesting how you ignored the other part of the post too, detailing how Shaman spell DPS in this group is actually only going to be about 28.

You missed the edit. Your math is just wrong, both on Torpor and DPS lol.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't math. Let's say a mob dies in 30 seconds.

You Bane first. That is 150 + 214 x 4 ticks = 1006
You E-Bolt second. That is 110 + 146 x 3 ticks = 548

1548 / 30 = 50 DPS lol. Obviously cast times effect DPS a little bit on a per mob basis. The same is true when a Mage is nuke spamming mobs. They could also land the nuke while the mob is at low life and lose DPS that way. They could also use /pet attack late.

The reason why we use average DPS is because not all mobs are going to die in exactly 30 seconds. Sometimes your DPS will be higher, sometimes it will be lower.

Resists can occur on a Mage too, so they are losing DPS as well lol.

Your Blast of Poison idea is silly too. You would deal 800 damage for 400 mana, but you have double the resist chance because you are casting the spell twice. Conversely, if you want to hit 800 damage in the same 30 seconds, you would Bane, then E-Bolt, then use a single JBB cast. That would be 1006 + 548 + 263 = 1817, which is the same damage but you are spending 55 less mana. DPS would be 1817 / 30 = 60 DPS.

Blast of poison would start getting good if you are killing mobs really fast, but at that point why would you need a Mage if your Enchanters are killing mobs in like 10 seconds lol?