Mages are up shit’s creek I guess

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Originally Posted by Obrae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we all know what they can do and its not the gods of EQ far from it. We have all been playing that game for 20 years or close.

Most of you never played the first couple months [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] It shows in here.

Yea it's quite funny honestly. Mages are strong generally speaking. But compared to Necros or Chanters?

[bwe]

Originally Posted by Vizax_Xaziv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea it's quite funny honestly. Mages are strong generally speaking. But compared to Necros or Chanters?

Someone needs to do Classic(tm) research on charming, charm lasts way too long here

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Originally Posted by bwe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone needs to do Classic(tm) research on charming, charm lasts way too long here

Yea it seems absurd to me. I thought the lack of +CHA gear compared to Blue would have reduced the reliability of Charm. Doesnt seem to be the case (at least not in any significant way.)

[Valion]

Originally Posted by bwe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone needs to do Classic(tm) research on charming, charm lasts way too long here

Remember all you really need is a theory proposed in one of those old google threads you don't actually need anything concrete like logs files.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by bwe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone needs to do Classic(tm) research on charming, charm lasts way too long here

Charm lasts too long? Not sure what you mean by too long. Charm doesn't have a set duration.

Every tick, I believe there are three saves you have to make and those are difference between your level and the mob's level, mob's magic resistance, and your charisma. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure those are the three. If you make all those saves, then charm doesn't break. If you miss one, it breaks. It's one of the reasons why charming is so unreliable at lower levels where the level difference between you and the blue con mob you're fighting is much lower.

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mages who stick it out will be glad they did once they see those focused level 49 pets in action.

I mean yea, we all know how great Mage pets are during Classic! On the other hand, they're nowhere NEAR as strong an Enchanter's charmed pet in Classic, let alone onwards!

[TanDemain]

I loved researching my spells on blue. I would go to the zones that had the pages, farm it, and bam. What's the problem?

[Obrae]

Originally Posted by TanDemain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I loved researching my spells on blue. I would go to the zones that had the pages, farm it, and bam. What's the problem?

Dosent work like this cause you never have a base pet to research with.
And materials do not drop.
And all players are leveling at same time, not just your odd alt here and there.
Also you can't train the skill for crap, its caps insanely low.

like 45 at level 25 or so. Can't trivialize spells combine. And no one have money so can't afford to train research cause your combine, which you can't do because words don't drop cost 10pp a pop, the lower ones.

Oh and you can't farm either cause the zones are camped zone hard you barely get kills.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Obrae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dosent work like this cause you never have a base pet to research with.
And materials do not drop.
And all players are leveling at same time, not just your odd alt here and there.
Also you can't train the skill for crap, its caps insanely low.

like 45 at level 25 or so. Can't trivialize spells combine. And no one have money so can't afford to train research cause your combine, which you can't do because words don't drop cost 10pp a pop, the lower ones.

Oh and you can't farm either cause the zones are camped zone hard you barely get kills.

I was going to post and say that I think what mobs drop what types of research components isn't totally random. Then I realized that of the 12-15 components I've seen killing mid-teens mobs in the last few day, none of them were mage components.

Maybe this mob is programmed to drop randomly EXCEPT mage components. But that seems a bit odd, so I can see why you're thinking mage components just don't drop.

[Obrae]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was going to post and say that I think what mobs drop what types of research components isn't totally random. Then I realized that of the 12-15 components I've seen killing mid-teens mobs in the last few day, none of them were mage components.

Maybe this mob is programmed to drop randomly EXCEPT mage components. But that seems a bit odd, so I can see why you're thinking mage components just don't drop.

Yeah its an exaggeration, i know they drop.
But the chance for our word is way too small. Components like ice of velious,gloves of rallos zek are rare, but nothing compare to words.

Hitting 30 tonight, been killing tons of mobs with groups both in Sol A and L guk, a bit in najena.

Up to now i have seen 1 word of dimension. Other mage i see have the same experience.

Meanwhile, enchanters and necromancer need to combine as they play cause their bags are filles with components. I trash necro words and wizards rune by the dozens at merchants cause they drop like candy.

Defenitly, the loot table is not tweaked to all research pet.