<Aftermath> to Classic WoW

[Hideousclaw]

Originally Posted by kjs86z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't get a world first on something that was done in 2005.

I already "beat" WoW (#1 US shadowpriest). I'm not going back.

World First 2nd Time Around on an Official Server First Time First

[Clazxiss]

Originally Posted by kjs86z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't get a world first on something that was done in 2005.

I already "beat" WoW (#1 US shadowpriest). I'm not going back.

#1 S-priest for what exactly? I notice people make these claims before achievements were released. Once that happened, Blizzard became the keeper of player records, making claims irrefutable or easily debunked.

Player measured success is something I've learned to be leery of in games just because there's a widespread history of skewed records. It's not just MMORPG games, just about every gaming platform has had doctored records.

[kjs86z]

Originally Posted by Clazxiss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

#1 S-priest for what exactly? I notice people make these claims before achievements were released. Once that happened, Blizzard became the keeper of player records, making claims irrefutable or easily debunked.

Player measured success is something I've learned to be leery of in games just because there's a widespread history of skewed records. It's not just MMORPG games, just about every gaming platform has had doctored records.

There was an old ranking site called WoW Web Stats (changed to World of Logs, now called something else probably). Used raid parses that all competitive guilds submitted logs to for analysis and e-peen measuring. It ranked people by class / spec for each fight.

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by kjs86z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The amount of disinformation in this thread about what Classic WoW will be is pretty comical.

Day 1 server / NA first racer here through the end of TBC. I have played on the bigger private servers as well. Was in my guild's first full naxx clear before BC came out.

Classic WoW will be a forced META. If you do anything outside of the exact "proper" way of doing things, you'll be instantly removed and will find yourself with nothing to do at 60 as the rest of the server blows through content they've been practicing for for years on private servers.

The ONLY playable-at-60 specs are as follows:

Druid - Resto
Hunter - Marks (hunters are garbage tier damage and brought basically for tranq shot)
Mage - Frost initially then swapping to Fire w/ better gear for rolling ignites
Paladin - Holy
Priest - Holy (small exception suuuuuper late into naxx, some guilds might run shadow priests for loatheb)
Rogue - Combat (swords)
Shaman - Resto
Warlock - DS / Ruin (literally spam shadowbolt)
Warrior - prot (the select few neckbeards that get funneled gear will go fury for top-tier damage horde side w/ WF totem)

If you are not one of these specs with the 100% most optimized talent choices, you will be shunned. These people know the entire game by heart and will not take kindly to casual scum that aren't perfectly optimized playing their class to its maximum potential.

That's it. If you want to tank, you better play a warrior. If you want to do relevant damage, you better be playing a lock / mage / rogue (+warrior if your neckbeard has cheeto dust sprinkled all through it).

Lastly (and most importantly for anyone thinking about raiding), you will be expected to show up to raids with every single consumable relevant to your class. That means farming for 20+ hours / week for either the cash or materials for things like flasks, weapon oils, HP pots, mana pots, resist pots, stat/armor elixirs, winterspring jujus, un'goro buffs, tubers, dark/demonic runes, etc etc etc. You will be competing against hundreds, if not thousands of other raiders to farm enough of these to carry you through a 3-4 night / week raid schedule. Consumable requirements only increase the further you progress. Never got to naxx on live because you sucked and couldn't put the time in? Its going to be the exact same fucking thing this time around.



Now let's take a look at PvP.

Taking into consideration all I've said about the PvE side....let me tell you how big the gap in PvP power is between those that are bleeding edge raiders and those that are not. Raid gear is incredibly strong in PvP...so if you aren't out there slaying the top bosses every week....you're going to get absolutely destroyed by those people that are. It won't even be close. You better be raiding AND have gnomish engineering as a profession because everyone and their grandma is going to be using things like rocket boots, rocket cap, MC cap, bombs, etc. Oh, and they're gonna be blowing consumables in BGs too.


Welcome to classic WoW.

Wow i hope one day you get laid

[savagefilip]

Originally Posted by kjs86z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The amount of disinformation in this thread about what Classic WoW will be is pretty comical.

Day 1 server / NA first racer here through the end of TBC. I have played on the bigger private servers as well. Was in my guild's first full naxx clear before BC came out.

Classic WoW will be a forced META. If you do anything outside of the exact "proper" way of doing things, you'll be instantly removed and will find yourself with nothing to do at 60 as the rest of the server blows through content they've been practicing for for years on private servers.

The ONLY playable-at-60 specs are as follows:

Druid - Resto
Hunter - Marks (hunters are garbage tier damage and brought basically for tranq shot)
Mage - Frost initially then swapping to Fire w/ better gear for rolling ignites
Paladin - Holy
Priest - Holy (small exception suuuuuper late into naxx, some guilds might run shadow priests for loatheb)
Rogue - Combat (swords)
Shaman - Resto
Warlock - DS / Ruin (literally spam shadowbolt)
Warrior - prot (the select few neckbeards that get funneled gear will go fury for top-tier damage horde side w/ WF totem)

If you are not one of these specs with the 100% most optimized talent choices, you will be shunned. These people know the entire game by heart and will not take kindly to casual scum that aren't perfectly optimized playing their class to its maximum potential.

That's it. If you want to tank, you better play a warrior. If you want to do relevant damage, you better be playing a lock / mage / rogue (+warrior if your neckbeard has cheeto dust sprinkled all through it).

Lastly (and most importantly for anyone thinking about raiding), you will be expected to show up to raids with every single consumable relevant to your class. That means farming for 20+ hours / week for either the cash or materials for things like flasks, weapon oils, HP pots, mana pots, resist pots, stat/armor elixirs, winterspring jujus, un'goro buffs, tubers, dark/demonic runes, etc etc etc. You will be competing against hundreds, if not thousands of other raiders to farm enough of these to carry you through a 3-4 night / week raid schedule. Consumable requirements only increase the further you progress. Never got to naxx on live because you sucked and couldn't put the time in? Its going to be the exact same fucking thing this time around.



Now let's take a look at PvP.

Taking into consideration all I've said about the PvE side....let me tell you how big the gap in PvP power is between those that are bleeding edge raiders and those that are not. Raid gear is incredibly strong in PvP...so if you aren't out there slaying the top bosses every week....you're going to get absolutely destroyed by those people that are. It won't even be close. You better be raiding AND have gnomish engineering as a profession because everyone and their grandma is going to be using things like rocket boots, rocket cap, MC cap, bombs, etc. Oh, and they're gonna be blowing consumables in BGs too.


Welcome to classic WoW.

Good lord I can smell you through the screen.

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by kjs86z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The amount of disinformation in this thread about what Classic WoW will be is pretty comical.

Day 1 server / NA first racer here through the end of TBC. I have played on the bigger private servers as well. Was in my guild's first full naxx clear before BC came out.

Classic WoW will be a forced META. If you do anything outside of the exact "proper" way of doing things, you'll be instantly removed and will find yourself with nothing to do at 60 as the rest of the server blows through content they've been practicing for for years on private servers.

The ONLY playable-at-60 specs are as follows:

Druid - Resto
Hunter - Marks (hunters are garbage tier damage and brought basically for tranq shot)
Mage - Frost initially then swapping to Fire w/ better gear for rolling ignites
Paladin - Holy
Priest - Holy (small exception suuuuuper late into naxx, some guilds might run shadow priests for loatheb)
Rogue - Combat (swords)
Shaman - Resto
Warlock - DS / Ruin (literally spam shadowbolt)
Warrior - prot (the select few neckbeards that get funneled gear will go fury for top-tier damage horde side w/ WF totem)

If you are not one of these specs with the 100% most optimized talent choices, you will be shunned. These people know the entire game by heart and will not take kindly to casual scum that aren't perfectly optimized playing their class to its maximum potential.

That's it. If you want to tank, you better play a warrior. If you want to do relevant damage, you better be playing a lock / mage / rogue (+warrior if your neckbeard has cheeto dust sprinkled all through it).

Lastly (and most importantly for anyone thinking about raiding), you will be expected to show up to raids with every single consumable relevant to your class. That means farming for 20+ hours / week for either the cash or materials for things like flasks, weapon oils, HP pots, mana pots, resist pots, stat/armor elixirs, winterspring jujus, un'goro buffs, tubers, dark/demonic runes, etc etc etc. You will be competing against hundreds, if not thousands of other raiders to farm enough of these to carry you through a 3-4 night / week raid schedule. Consumable requirements only increase the further you progress. Never got to naxx on live because you sucked and couldn't put the time in? Its going to be the exact same fucking thing this time around.



Now let's take a look at PvP.

Taking into consideration all I've said about the PvE side....let me tell you how big the gap in PvP power is between those that are bleeding edge raiders and those that are not. Raid gear is incredibly strong in PvP...so if you aren't out there slaying the top bosses every week....you're going to get absolutely destroyed by those people that are. It won't even be close. You better be raiding AND have gnomish engineering as a profession because everyone and their grandma is going to be using things like rocket boots, rocket cap, MC cap, bombs, etc. Oh, and they're gonna be blowing consumables in BGs too.


Welcome to classic WoW.

I'm pretty sure this is the reason it took almost 15 years and a complete shift in technology accessibility (mobile gaming) to make gamers "normal" in the eyes of the majority of society.

[azeth]

As if 99% of us couldn't type the same diatribe about everquest

[branamil]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As if 99% of us couldn't type the same diatribe about everquest

I read this as diabetic

[reznor_]

Originally Posted by branamil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I read this as diabetic

As a type 1 diabetic, I take umbrage with this statement.

[GnomeCaptain]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As if 99% of us couldn't type the same diatribe about everquest

I don't think it's quite the same. And it seems to have to do with the more completionist/perfectionist mentality encountered in WoW, owing to a less immersive environment in which most everything is handed to the player.

My experience on private WoW servers (I have a 60 rogue on one and a 60 druid on another, amongst alts) showed me nearly EVERYONE, even in pub raids, expects min/max to the extreme.

It's really quite lame.

My badass rogue was regularly mocked for daring to spec Assassination and use daggers. Even in his casual guild.

Like kjs said, things will be forced to a specific meta.

And the competition for quest mobs among the masses will be extreme. I saw that over and over when I played WoW expansions upon release.

There will be people hitting 60 within about 48 hours, people that have already done this dozens and dozens of times will be playing and pl'ing each others characters 24/7.

And some of them will make a living out of smashing lowbies in between MC raids.

Oddly enough, I sort of like that about WoW, that need to avoid the high level gank squads.

I can already see the high level characters, just a few days after release, slaughtering lowbies in Tarren Mill and Southshore. High level horde will crap all over Lakeshire.

Hmm this is making me want to re-activate my sub.