My Theory About Why Feminism is Currently Irrelevent to Millenials

[Rader]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your argument certainly seems to be "the jews were oppressed, but they wanted to not be oppressed, so with some cunning, effort and desire they worked their way into not being pressed" (even though you later claim the post "lacked any serious argument").

It seems to me I read your post, understood it, and responded by explaining the Jewish history was far more complex then you made it out to be, and in fact the reason for their successful escape from oppression had nothing to do with their cunning or will, and everything to do with the historical accident of Christian law:



To which you attack me with:



So because your mentioning of the Jews' involvement in the passion of Christ was flippant ("slew God"), and because you threw a hashtag Katy Perry joke at the end I should ignore everything else you wrote, which pretty clearly does make an argument that the Jews pulled themselves up by their bootstrap?

I'm done with trying to have an intelligent discussion with you, you're almost as bad as Mick. The posts above speak for themselves, and I'll let everyone else decide whether I'm some troll who just spouts out unrelated information or whether I make cogent response with relevant points.

Troll.

[hyejin]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i don't think feminism has been hijacked by anyone. it's "progressed." that's what socially progressive movements do. once we have bridged the chasm of inequality, we must imagine new obstacles to battle anew because there is no destination, only progress. there must always be more progress.

This is a problem with Marxism. It is a problem most of the socially progressive movements in USA share with each other. You build a big dumb amoeba to accomplish a political goal and it works but it develops its own economy and the people milking it pump grain into it until the most profitable Hollywood movies and craze television shows are NAMBLA propaganda. If only somebody like me were appointed to regulate these things.

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any woman that is naturally attractive is encouraged to focus on that before graduating highschool -- rather than developing skills. If your a hot blond 16 year old girl -- chances are you aren't going to be serious about your school work. A 16 year old boy is about x20 more likely not to have the same kind of temptation to go out partying and getting attention from the opposite sex every night.

So this puts a dent in a lot of STEM professions for women. Science is harder -- it's for people that try harder than Humanities students. There are exceptions (I think I was one) -- but most Humanity majors don't work nearly as hard as Science majors -- and we all know it. Women also don't want to look like "Computer Nerds" when their girls -- not sexy

Mr. Allen and I discussed this over dinner last Thursday. I told him:

women still have open to them a glorious and natural path that is way more fulfilling to most people than the chrome ladder. It's so attractive that it even pulls people across the gender line to escape their fluoridated alienation! Of course there are consequent pay gap and functional differences in socialization. It is not the ability to choose for oneself but the coercion of every individual's labor and attention into the economic machine that is the only remaining functional goal of organized feminism. We're already past the point where only the wealthy get to enjoy the luxury of traditional gender roles.

His rebuttal was an impish smirk ^^

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't want to relay my own experience without others having a chance to share theirs first, but I never had a female employee ask me for a raise, whereas this was a pretty frequent thing among the guys that worked under me.

Men's magazines (from my stunted experience) occasionally run articles advising how to get a rise or promotion. As a guilty pleasure I will read ladies magazines (you know, if a friend or relative has one, if I'm in a waiting room at the surgery, or whatever). Those ladies magazines always seem to be about 'how to blow your man's mind in bed', but rarely address real women's issues, such as the paygap, and when they do, they don't go into the most obvious solution (ask employer for more money please).

This is exactly it! Some conservatives seem to think "well disadvantaged group X just stopped being officially disadvantaged by law: they're perfectly equal now!"

Ummm ... for literally hundreds of years men were the providers, and our society/culture was built around that. For the past past 60-odd years feminists have made immense strides towards equality, but to expect something as deeply woven into our culture as "what people write about in men's/women's magazines" to change overnight is just unrealistic. And without that change, women aren't going to ask for raises as often.

Women won't truly get equal pay until they ask for it as often as men, or until the system changes so that asking for a raise isn't part of it. And given how slow social progress is vs. how quickly AI is progressing and taking over more and more parts of business, I think we'll see the latter before we see the former.

[mickmoranis]

TBH anyone outraged but this cuckery has not been raped, the constant reminder that you get about a rape from all you white people thinking you're helping just makes every day a flashback.

You don't care at all about the people you pretend to care about. You just want to be heard cus you're a little fish in a big pond.

Your selfishness is so apparent and your vapid souls just can't comprehend it.

Leave rape victims alone for gods sake, I haven't thought about that tape for 20 years now I'm reminded 10 times a fucking day. Give it a rest.

[skarlorn]

i will pay for a sex robot, especially if i get married.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your argument certainly seems to be "the jews were oppressed, but with some cunning, effort and desire they worked their way into not being opressed". You can claim the post "lacked any serious argument", but I think that's what most reasonable people would take away from it.

It also seems to me I read your post, understood it, and responded by explaining the Jewish history was far more complex then you made it out to be, and in fact the reason for their successful escape from oppression had nothing to do with their cunning or will, and everything to do with the historical accident of Christian law:



To which you attack me with:



So we're having a whole conversation about race and disparities, but because your mentioning of the Jews' involvement in the passion of Christ was flippant ("slew God"), and because you threw a hashtag Katy Perry joke at the end I should just ignore the argument in everything else you wrote, which pretty clearly was that the Jews pulled themselves up by their bootstrap, and what ... respond to the Katy Perry hashtag? And because I didn't I'm a troll?

I'm done doing this with you, you're almost as bad as Mick. The posts above speak for themselves: I'll let everyone else decide whether I'm some troll who just spouts out unrelated information or whether I was trying to have an honest discussion and making arguments with supporting information.

*looks down warily at Loramin's post and draws in a long breath before affixing a second frowny face to Loramin's avatar.*


*looks up and stares blankly ahead, lips pursed, eyes wide, clearly flummoxed*


*blinks*


*looks back down to Loramin's paper and angrily covers his avatar corner to corner with frowny faces.*

[loramin]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TBH anyone outraged but this cuckery has not been raped, the constant reminder that you get about a rape from all you white people thinking you're helping just makes every day a flashback.

You don't care at all about the people you pretend to care about. You just want to be heard cus you're a little fish in a big pond.

Your selfishness is so apparent and your vapid souls just can't comprehend it.

Leave rape victims alone for gods sake, I haven't thought about that tape for 20 years now I'm reminded 10 times a fucking day. Give it a rest.

It's almost like you're asking for trigger warnings on our posts Mick ... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Seriously though, traumatic events (rape or otherwise) affect people, and we all need to be compassionate towards each other and recognize that talking about something which doesn't bother bother us might bother other people. So I'll just say my piece and then be done with the topic.

Look, I don't like talking about rape ... I don't think anyone does. It's a very unpleasant topic. But sometimes you have to talk about unpleasant things in order for them to change. I spent two years as a rape prevention peer educator, putting on workshops that drew connections between the toys we all played with as children to the definitions of what it means to be "male" or "female" in our society to how those societal gender expectations naturally lead to rape.

Not only did I have to spend my free time giving workshops where I talked about rape, I also had to go to retreats and such where I'd spend whole weekends learning rape facts and information, hearing 911 calls from rape victims, and doing other very not fun stuff.

But I did all that because I wanted to help stop rape, and the only way to truly do that is to change people's minds. Similarly here, I genuinely believe that if you want society to grow you can't just preach to the young college students, you have to convince everyone in society, and that includes conservative-minded people in elf-sim forums.

Rape is horrible. Rape is a function of society's gender expectations (fun fact: matriarchal early societies had no record of rape, and if you graph countries and how much power women have in them it it's basically the inverse of that country's rate of rape). The only way we can solve rape, and many other "feminist"/gender-related problems, is to come to greater understanding and empathy for each other.

Sometimes bringing up the horror of the problems we face can help motivate us to tackle them ... but it can also trivialize that horror, and so again I'll do my best to make this the last time I talk about it.

[mickmoranis]

look another white male trying to tell me how I should feel about my own rape.

NEXT

[hyejin]

I think my posts have jumped the shark for the day. pokesan slapped me too good [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have a pleasant weekend pals!

[mickmoranis]

let me explain something:

When talking about rape culture, you are getting self gratification and are being selifsh.

You are not stopping future rapes by yelling about how wrong you think rape is.

Rapists do not care what you think at all.

Victims have to listen to you.

Keep your mouth shut about it and volunteer somewhere in private to help individuals that ask for your help.