Nice France terrorist attack

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Saludeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
17:42 Say: "If there had been gods with Him as they say, then they would have tried to gain a way to the Throne."

Is this the reason there is only one god?

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Saludeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To God are the best names. So its more about sincerity and intention (17:110). It doesn't make sense to refer to God as Zeus or Jesus or Cthulu because those don't refer to the Creator, the All-Mighty, Lord of the Worlds, the Generous, the Rich, the Praiseworthy, Seer, Hearer, All-Knowing, Most Wise, Master of the Day of Judgement.

I reject Sharia law because its man made from corrupt books called hadiths. God sent the Qur'an, not hadiths, regardless of what sunni or shia sectarians say. The majority of "Muslims" may be Sunni but the only non-sectarian form of Islam is one from the Qur'an alone reinforced by reasoning.

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
17:110 Say: "Call on God or call on the Almighty; by whichever you call on, to Him are the best names." And do not be too loud in making your contact prayer, nor too quiet; but seek a path in between.

May God bless you and admit you to Paradise with rivers flowing beneath.

Well ty. You seem like a very nice man Sal and it is unfortunate that other sects of your faith have perverted it with hadiths. Be they Sharia or not though, the Qur'an also proscribes punishment for various transgressions though does it not? What are your thoughts on those?

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Saludeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I predict you're just trying to make a claim that "Islam is X" where X is anything negative. Islam teaches us to submit to God alone and do good, which is what Isa taught. Anything specific should be judged in light of that.

So what specific teaching do you have a problem with?
I don't expect you to read multiple paragraphs of explanations.

But i'll start with "live by the sword". Isa didn't teach pacifism. Pacifism is how millions of people get murdered by despotic governments. Self defense and fighting against evil is necessary for justice and peace on earth, even if we hate war.
According to Christians if an innocent person was being killed, they would stand by and watch because to attack or stop the criminal would be violent and hypocritical. That's not what Isa taught. Any good Muslim would immediately stand up for the innocent regardless of their religion, unless they're an obvious criminal.

You never answered where Islams understanding of Isa comes from. You are saying that the only understanding of Isa comes from Muhammad 600 years after he(Isa) died? Even though his followers were walking and preaching what would be the bible? Also the passage you quoted is very similar to the words of Jesus which speaks to the fact that Muhammad was familiar with these passages. That being the case then how can you say he did not preach pacifism? Turn the other cheek? He who is without sin cast the 1st stone? live by the sword die by the sword(this when Peter tried to defend him from being taken by the Romans)? I am trying to understand how you can believe in Jesus but deny his words because "muh hammad"

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You never answered where Islams understanding of Isa comes from. You are saying that the only understanding of Isa comes from Muhammad 600 years after he(Isa) died? Even though his followers were walking and preaching what would be the bible? Also the passage you quoted is very similar to the words of Jesus which speaks to the fact that Muhammad was familiar with these passages. That being the case then how can you say he did not preach pacifism? Turn the other cheek? He who is without sin cast the 1st stone? live by the sword die by the sword(this when Peter tried to defend him from being taken by the Romans)? I am trying to understand how you can believe in Jesus but deny his words because "muh hammad"

Going to take a guess here Santa and assume the account would have come from god to Mohammed. That's the way religion works.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Saludeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

According to Christians if an innocent person was being killed, they would stand by and watch because to attack or stop the criminal would be violent and hypocritical.

Really? Where is that written in context? And that's not 'turn the other cheek', people attach that meaning to it but it's not there contextually, not even culturally. Actually the apostles carried swords, Yeshua told them to, even to sale their cloak if they didn't have one and go buy a sword (the gun of the day). It was just during his earthly ministry that the apostles were unarmed. After all, Yeshua-Yahweh (YHWH) was there to protect them in person during the purposes of his ministry, even to the the purpose of his temporary death on the Roman cross.

The whole 'total pacifist' thing is an invention of the political left (the muslims ideological friends) which have infiltrated churches around the world and confuse the literal interpretations of their scriptures, even replacing it with man-made feel-good psychology and country-club style churches.

But it's Yahweh Sabaoth, the LORD of Hosts, the leader of armies, GOD of War, Yeshua-YHWH-Saboth-Elohim.


How many times a day do you pray towards Mecca to your Allah?

[Saludeen]

Originally Posted by Nihilist_santa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You never answered where Islams understanding of Isa comes from. You are saying that the only understanding of Isa comes from Muhammad 600 years after he(Isa) died? Even though his followers were walking and preaching what would be the bible? Also the passage you quoted is very similar to the words of Jesus which speaks to the fact that Muhammad was familiar with these passages. That being the case then how can you say he did not preach pacifism? Turn the other cheek? He who is without sin cast the 1st stone? live by the sword die by the sword(this when Peter tried to defend him from being taken by the Romans)? I am trying to understand how you can believe in Jesus but deny his words because "muh hammad"

I don't deny the words of Isa. I deny the source you assume are his words. I know he wasn't a pacifist because pacifism aids evil and all Prophets fought for justice and peace which may or may not include war. If you see an innocent person being attacked and you turn the other cheek then you are partially responsible, depending on the situation.

Pacifism is like letting someone bully you every day without doing anything while Christians stand by and let him because they're pacifists too, so they claim. The Messiah, son of Mary, would have stopped the bully if possible and taught you how to defend yourself if you deserve it, God willing.

[Manticmuse]

The worst was when dumbledore died.

[Saludeen]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really? Where is that written in context? And that's not 'turn the other cheek', people attach that meaning to it but it's not there contextually, not even culturally. Actually the apostles carried swords, Yeshua told them to, even to sale their cloak if they didn't have one and go buy a sword (the gun of the day). It was just during his earthly ministry that the apostles were unarmed. After all, Yeshua-Yahweh (YHWH) was there to protect them in person during the purposes of his ministry, even to the the purpose of his temporary death on the Roman cross.

The whole 'total pacifist' thing is an invention of the political left (the muslims ideological friends) which have infiltrated churches around the world and confuse the literal interpretations of their scriptures, even replacing it with man-made feel-good psychology and country-club style churches.

But it's Yahweh Sabaoth, the LORD of Hosts, the leader of armies, GOD of War, Yeshua-YHWH-Saboth-Elohim.


How many times a day do you pray towards Mecca to your Allah?

The other Christian said Jesus was a pacifist. I don't agree with him. But that's what a pacifist would do if someone was being attacked.

So I agree that they probably carried swords. And your claim about Muslims infiltrating churches is hilarious. We're not even allowed to step foot in polytheist temples.

God is your God too, even if you pray to Jesus instead. And I pray to God while facing the Dome of the Rock three times a day, God willing, because that's the real temple. The cube in Mecca is a pagan, unknown to the sectarians who do silly man made rituals like circling it or kissing the stone.

[Saludeen]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well ty. You seem like a very nice man Sal and it is unfortunate that other sects of your faith have perverted it with hadiths. Be they Sharia or not though, the Qur'an also proscribes punishment for various transgressions though does it not? What are your thoughts on those?

Peace. Thanks for the kind words. God is aware of what they're doing and we'll continue to speak out against it, God willing. And its not my religion they're distorting, its God's. I simply follow it, all praise and thanks is to Him.

Depends on what you're referring to. I support punishments prescribed in the Qur'an as long as the translation is accurate.

And about your other comment referring to One God. That's one reason, if there were multiple gods they would fight among each other until one emerged the winner. But there's alot more to be said relating to the universe requiring an eternal first cause and the indivisible nature of infinity.

[maskedmelon]

Do Christians really pray to Jesus? I know Catholics seem pray to Mary and any of their patron saints, but thought Protestants just pray to God.