Aftermath eating a full 10 days raid suspension

[Cochonou]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yikes. You anonymous forum accounts are doing such a bad job that you inadvertantly caused Chest to come on here and take Aftermath's side. Take a lap.

Who came here and took Aftermath's side ?

[Prismaticshop]

Originally Posted by Cochonou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who came here and took Aftermath's side ?

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's the bottom line, and everyone knows I hate Detoxx, but Aftermath didn't do anything illegal this time. It may have been grimy to ice Tormax after getting FTE but it was within the rules because the rule was shitty. It's perfectly normal to take off the second the ground shakes. I've seen multiple VP footraces under those exact same circumstances.

I don't like the ruling, I don't like Detoxx and his short bus crew, but they are legally in the clear on this one.

Chest himself.

Suck a dong Cochonou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Cochonou]

Originally Posted by Prismaticshop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chest himself.

Suck a dong Cochonou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[VANVEM]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's the bottom line, and everyone knows I hate Detoxx, but Aftermath didn't do anything illegal this time. It may have been grimy to ice Tormax after getting FTE but it was within the rules because the rule was shitty. It's perfectly normal to take off the second the ground shakes. I've seen multiple VP footraces under those exact same circumstances.

I don't like the ruling, I don't like Detoxx and his short bus crew, but they are legally in the clear on this one. They just suck as human beings, but I guess being pixel rich is worth it?

I'll take your word on the FTE, but you or anyone of the people here from aftermath please show me where in the "new" kael rules it changes:

Q12: What exactly does the Staff consider a stall?
A: As far as engage stalls, the Staff will grant you one DA, or about that much time on an engage before considering it a stall. So it’s important that guilds do not engage a mob until they are ready to kill it. The spirit of the rule (and what we are looking to do here) is to prevent guilds from locking up a target before they are ready to kill it, just to prevent other guilds that are ready to kill it first/faster. If you stall, you need to drop aggro immediately and concede/forfeit the mob. Any number of players can be considered to be stalling a mob, what we look for is the engage of the kill force. I know some of you want an exact number of seconds, or players, or DPS done, but the fact is that’s just not realistic with guilds being so vastly different in numbers and strength while also competing for the same content. The most important thing here is the statement about the spirit of this rule stated above.

Please do not respond with They didn't answer or they said unlimited time, neither of those addresses the fact that FTE was gained with no intent to engage. Which according to Sirken's raid rule is The spirit of the rule

so with that said, what they did was NOT entirely legal. Again I don't think it warrants a 10 day suspenson, but allowing someone to "teach the server a lesson" by Blatantly breaking the Spirit of the Rule. has to be the Absofuckinglutley worst thing we could do to try and make the server a better place.

[sheepshop]

If you listened at all you would know that the kael race and die idea was adopted to prevent training around mobs that one shot you in a super populated zone.

[nicemace]

Originally Posted by VANVEM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll take your word on the FTE, but you or anyone of the people here from aftermath please show me where in the "new" kael rules it changes:

Q12: What exactly does the Staff consider a stall?
A: As far as engage stalls, the Staff will grant you one DA, or about that much time on an engage before considering it a stall. So it’s important that guilds do not engage a mob until they are ready to kill it. The spirit of the rule (and what we are looking to do here) is to prevent guilds from locking up a target before they are ready to kill it, just to prevent other guilds that are ready to kill it first/faster. If you stall, you need to drop aggro immediately and concede/forfeit the mob. Any number of players can be considered to be stalling a mob, what we look for is the engage of the kill force. I know some of you want an exact number of seconds, or players, or DPS done, but the fact is that’s just not realistic with guilds being so vastly different in numbers and strength while also competing for the same content. The most important thing here is the statement about the spirit of this rule stated above.

Please do not respond with They didn't answer or they said unlimited time, neither of those addresses the fact that FTE was gained with no intent to engage. Which according to Sirken's raid rule is The spirit of the rule

so with that said, what they did was NOT entirely legal. Again I don't think it warrants a 10 day suspenson, but allowing someone to "teach the server a lesson" by Blatantly breaking the Spirit of the Rule. has to be the Absofuckinglutley worst thing we could do to try and make the server a better place.

they didn't break shit. the rules of kael is foot race > get FTE > take a casual amount of time to setup and kill the mob you won the rights to have first attempt. its not a stall. it doesn't even come close to that rule.

the rules are retarded. they were just playing by the rules. no rules are going to fix this server. the raid scene needs a change in dynamic away from classic... but the staff wont do that so enjoy.

ps im not in aftermath

[TMBLOW]

Originally Posted by nicemace [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they didn't break shit. the rules of kael is foot race > get FTE > take a casual amount of time to setup and kill the mob you won the rights to have first attempt. its not a stall. it doesn't even come close to that rule.

Since when does 'setup' involve mobilizing to ToV and killing Dragons there while leaving 0 people in Kael?

[nicemace]

Originally Posted by TMBLOW [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since when does 'setup' involve mobilizing to ToV and killing Dragons there while leaving 0 people in Kael?

as I said. shitty defined rules. they didn't break any rules because the rules are so fucking shit.

[VANVEM]

Originally Posted by nicemace [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they didn't break shit. the rules of kael is foot race > get FTE > take a casual amount of time to setup and kill the mob you won the rights to have first attempt. its not a stall. it doesn't even come close to that rule.

the rules are retarded. they were just playing by the rules. no rules are going to fix this server. the raid scene needs a change in dynamic away from classic... but the staff wont do that so enjoy.

ps im not in aftermath

Are you fucking retarded? i posted the rules, the kael rules are posted here as well, no where does it change the the rule of stalling, it said you had one attempt.

But it did not say that the part of about not FTEing just to prevent another guild from engaging was rescinded, and whether your stupid fucking ass can understand it or not, that does not mean that it doesnt exist. Actually it's opposite, the existed and recorded rule would take precedant. thanks for playing

[nicemace]

Originally Posted by VANVEM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you fucking retarded? i posted the rules, the kael rules are posted here as well, no where does it change the the rule of stalling, it said you had one attempt.

But it did not say that the part of about not FTEing just to prevent another guild from engaging was rescinded, and whether your stupid fucking ass can understand it or not, that does not mean that it doesnt exist. Actually it's opposite, the existed and recorded rule would take precedant. thanks for playing

yeah and there is nothing defined about what goes on between that one attempt. the FTE in kael specifically gives you time to engage. its not like FTE's in other zones where its FTE and pull.

stall is in relation to preventing other guilds from engaging. when no other guild is entitled to engage, you're not stalling you can take your merry old time.

don't get me wrong. aftermath fucked the raid scene completely after they whinged about autofire and had all these shitty rules introduced. but they have not broken any rule with their actions in kael. sure they might be scumbags but they are still operating by the awfully defined rules that have been awfully imposed.

as I said. shitty defined rules = shitty ruleset.