The Common Man's NToV Raid Rules Thread

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by JboxCSU [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's a long sentence.

It's a very complicated issue, people blaming BDA for their cheat codes not working anymore.

[Kileras]

This is different, it's ntov, I think you big guilds have proven that alliances are somewhat necessary. You should have one spot on a rotation, no double dipping. Make a few mobs part of rotation the rest/all fte after certain period of time. Your fighting over rampage scraps anyway, if they refuse to a rotation or deal just make the rotation/agreement about the scraps.

None of this applies to me, our guild is not interested in the mess nor is of size to do it alone. I just find it interesting to talk about, and while the flaming gets gnarly I sympathiZe with all involved that that certainly does not look fun. There has to be a better solution.

[maestrom]

One of the objections to FiF was: How do you keep a large guild from splitting into several small guilds in order to claim multiple targets, while still allowing smaller guilds that NEED to team up to be able to claim under FIF?

I came up with a solution that I like.

Keeping in mind that a guild or alliance would only be able to claim ONE target at a time, and claiming a target releases any existing claims.

In order for guilds to team up to claim for FIF, they have to post about it in advance, and such alliance (or dissolution of an alliance) would not take effect for 7 days from when the post was made.

This would allow Kittens who say meow to form an alliance with Blackheart Pirates and be able to claim targets, but it would not allow Forsaken to fracture into 2 or 3 guilds and claim targets together and independently.

[JboxCSU]

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's a very complicated issue, people blaming BDA for their cheat codes not working anymore.

Chest trains people intentionally.

[maestrom]

Originally Posted by maestrom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One of the objections to FiF was: How do you keep a large guild from splitting into several small guilds in order to claim multiple targets, while still allowing smaller guilds that NEED to team up to be able to claim under FIF?

I came up with a solution that I like.

Keeping in mind that a guild or alliance would only be able to claim ONE target at a time, and claiming a target releases any existing claims.

In order for guilds to team up to claim for FIF, they have to post about it in advance, and such alliance (or dissolution of an alliance) would not take effect for 7 days from when the post was made.

This would allow Kittens who say meow to form an alliance with Blackheart Pirates and be able to claim targets, but it would not allow Forsaken to fracture into 2 or 3 guilds and claim targets together and independently.

"But what if BHP tries to claim a target without any Kittens there?"

BHP would be allowed to claim the target without the Kittens, but the kittens would not be able to claim a target at the same time. They would have to either join with BHP and kill the BHP target, or would have to convince BHP to come claim their target. But an alliance would not be able to claim two or more targets at once.

Also. Since I've never said it before. Un-claimed targets remain FTE.

[Kileras]

Originally Posted by maestrom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"But what if BHP tries to claim a target without any Kittens there?"

BHP would be allowed to claim the target without the Kittens, but the kittens would not be able to claim a target at the same time. They would have to either join with BHP and kill the BHP target, or would have to convince BHP to come claim their target. But an alliance would not be able to claim two or more targets at once.

Also. Since I've never said it before. Un-claimed targets remain FTE.

I'm not trying to part the seas here. Ntov is just a different beast... It's my understanding that guilds large enough to do it know they can, and those that can't know they can't. The break off for smaller targets model doesn't seem to apply in tov, and as of now there is no rotation on any other part of the game so the issue is void.

I just wanted to clarify if people hated rotations because it limited their access to pixels or content to be busy with, or because everyone just assumes rampage wouldn't allow it. It's complicated but I'm sure you could lay some groundwork to make it possible, it would just require all the big guild to decide that they might not have ntov mobs every weekend and that it was worth passing up the chance of pixels, for a consistent rotation and classic ntov experience.

[Aviann]

Please god no rotation. Just lay down the hammer on people training.

[maestrom]

Originally Posted by Kileras [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not trying to part the seas here. Ntov is just a different beast... It's my understanding that guilds large enough to do it know they can, and those that can't know they can't. The break off for smaller targets model doesn't seem to apply in tov, and as of now there is no rotation on any other part of the game so the issue is void.

I just wanted to clarify if people hated rotations because it limited their access to pixels or content to be busy with, or because everyone just assumes rampage wouldn't allow it. It's complicated but I'm sure you could lay some groundwork to make it possible, it would just require all the big guild to decide that they might not have ntov mobs every weekend and that it was worth passing up the chance of pixels, for a consistent rotation and classic ntov experience.

Oh I know what you're saying :P But to be clear, NToV is only a different beast at the moment. Rampage is the only guild that can reliably do everything in NToV... for now. Eventually NToV will be farmable by pretty much every guild that calls itself a raid guild.

But that's kind of the point. I'm not worried about Forsake breaking into 2 guilds and taking out two NToV targets, I'm worried about Forsaken breaking into 2 guilds and taking NToV and Lodi, or Trak, or other low-priority raid targets.

Right now, if Trak and NToV_Dragon_A are in window at the same time, it costs Uber_Guild_1 nothing to leave a tracker at Trak, main force in ToV, and then if trak pops it can just camp over and kill trak and then pick up right where it left off in NToV.

Under FIF, If UG1 abandoned NToV to kill a trak pop, UG2 would just claim the target that UG1 dropped. There is still a competitive aspect to the game. Whoever gets their raid force on and in the zone first gets to claim the target. It just eliminates the need to train all over Norrath to swipe FTE.

[Kluwen1]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is the main downside. Rampage has no reason to be part of a rotation.

Maybe they do? Seem to be needing Divinity quite a bit lately.

[Stormfists]

Originally Posted by Aviann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please god no rotation. Just lay down the hammer on people training.

But trains aren't punishable by the GMS, why stop the fun?

I flop trains on people to make sure they roll more monks for revenge flops.

I wont stop until the server is 99% monks, other 1% wizards for versatility.

I cant stop. I want to train you right now.

God, I love training.

Sincerely,
Chest on Storms account.