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[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

aww yea man i love me some 4chan autism rules

OH LOL HAHA DID U KNOW RULE 34? THAT MEANS KAGATOB SUCKS ON A GIRAFFE BONER! EPIC! EPIC FOR THE WIN!

if your autism cannot detect it, I am beng disingenous. Play P99 or go away already.

Community too toxic. I'd rather farm gear than buy it.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Community too toxic. I'd rather farm gear than buy it.

OK. That's a fair reason. But you don't play here. You should not post here.

[iruinedyourday]

BEHOld for I am so great I am ABOVE this group of PLeebs that play here. I come like a shadow in THE NIght with my GOLDEN jewls adorned in kisses from All the plebians that fail

to win my FAVOR, it is the woman that is the enemy and I am the greatest. u dont like that I WIN for you are on your tinder and tumblerblogs posting FOR transjgenders

I am the Great prince Kagatabob prince of the squarepants the winner at your game

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[MrSparkle001]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're right and that's why I included that part in there. One thing I want to point out though is the extent to which critics of welfare totally fabricate the nature of a 'welfare class'. It just doesn't exist the way fiscal conservatives tend to envision it. The image of a 'welfare queen' totally overpowers the narrative and twists it away from the reality of the situation, which is that life with welfare in the US is a miserable existence that nobody aspires to, not even your biggest, fattest, saddest, most desperate lowlifes, and native citizens don't tend to build their goals and aspirations in life around the availability of welfare bucks.

They don't aspire to a life of welfare because they don't aspire to anything except becoming a rapper or pro athlete. Every single inmate I've ever encountered has thought he had the talent to make it big as a rap star, and they'd all practice it like they were going to demo for a label executive in a few days. I'm dead serious, every single one. They have no aspiration, no motivation, no drive, no initiative, absolutely no appreciation for education, and in fact a general disdain for anything considered "white" or "the man". If it ain't part of the hood it ain't no good and will ruin your street cred. Their families, if they have any, are on welfare and food stamps, at least half are incarerated, and very few make it through high school.

I've driven through areas where groups of able-bodied adults were literally standing on the curb in their own garbage at 2 PM on a weekday (Paterson NJ fyi). I swear it was almost comical. Don't get me started on the crap I saw and heard in the county jail during my fairly brief career as a C.O. Even if I told you you wouldn't believe me, but trust me when I say there is indeed a "welfare class" and they find it distasteful and sometimes downright offensive to be anything more than that, unless it's a rapper or pro athlete.

It's a cultural problem. A big one. At this point it's an insurmountable problem but who knows what will happen in a few decades.

(I have no first-hand experience with the rural welfare class AKA "white trash" but I know they also exist, just not here where I live.)

Democrats don't have the solution. Republicans don't have the solution. Money isn't the solution. Education isn't the solution. A radical shift in culture is the only solution. They have to want it and value it.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They don't aspire to a life of welfare because they don't aspire to anything except becoming a rapper or pro athlete. Every single inmate I've ever encountered has thought he had the talent to make it big as a rap star, and they'd all practice it like they were going to demo for a label executive in a few days. I'm dead serious, every single one. They have no aspiration, no motivation, no drive, no initiative, absolutely no appreciation for education, and in fact a general disdain for anything considered "white" or "the man". If it ain't part of the hood it ain't no good and will ruin your street cred. Their families, if they have any, are on welfare and food stamps, at least half are incarerated, and very few make it through high school.

you're describing pretty much everyone no matter what their heritage so long as they're poor and born in america.

hmm funny how all the people from even worse economic standing that move to america work 3 jobs and send half their money to their families.

hmm makes ya think maybe we've beaten any idea or hope that you can work your way out of poverty in Americans with police batons and the media.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're describing pretty much everyone no matter what their heritage so long as they're poor and born in america.

Not all poor people are worthless and unmotivated pieces of garbage. That's quite a broad brush you paint with.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not all poor people are worthless and unmotivated pieces of garbage. That's quite a broad brush you paint with.

interesting that you'd stick up for poor people here and not notice the implied racism in the post I was replying to. The point I was trying to make is that its not heritage that is at fault for what homeboy was saying but that poverty stricken Americans all suffer in the same manner.

I was further illustrating my point by mentioning poverty stricken immigrants, who tend to work a lot harder than ones born here. Which ironically is exactly your point when you replied in the first place, that being poverty doesn't automatically mean that you are worthless and unmotivated, so hopefully you can see that there is no disagreement so far.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point I was trying to make is that its not heritage that is at fault for what homeboy was saying but that poverty stricken Americans all suffer in the same manner.

Actually, that's not really true. Look at the crime rate in poor white areas like Appalachia. Not all poor people are the same and there do seem to be racial differences across all income brackets. For instance, look at the homicide rate broken down by race and income. Even among the poor, it would seem homicide rates are much higher among our melanin enriched brothers.

Median Family Income
-----------------------White--------------------------Black
Percentile--1966-75--1976-85--1986-95----1966-75--1976-85--1986-95
0-10-----------8.4-------5.5-------0.4--------86.1------91.5----117.0
10-25----------4.2-------3.6-------3.5--------48.1------62.5-----63.9
25-50----------3.6-------4.0-------2.9--------65.2------42.5-----39.8
50-75----------2.1-------2.6-------2.1--------24.7------21.5-----32.6
75-90----------1.5-------2.1-------2.0---------8.8------19.8-----37.0
90+------------0.8-------1.9-------2.9---------4.7------11.2-----10.0

Source:
http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levi...onship1999.pdf
(table 6)

[Thana8088]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, that's not really true. Look at the crime rate in poor white areas like Appalachia. Not all poor people are the same and there do seem to be racial differences across all income brackets. For instance, look at the homicide rate broken down by race and income. Even among the poor, it would seem homicide rates are much higher among our melanin enriched brothers.

Median Family Income
-----------------------White--------------------------Black
Percentile--1966-75--1976-85--1986-95----1966-75--1976-85--1986-95
0-10-----------8.4-------5.5-------0.4--------86.1------91.5----117.0
10-25----------4.2-------3.6-------3.5--------48.1------62.5-----63.9
25-50----------3.6-------4.0-------2.9--------65.2------42.5-----39.8
50-75----------2.1-------2.6-------2.1--------24.7------21.5-----32.6
75-90----------1.5-------2.1-------2.0---------8.8------19.8-----37.0
90+------------0.8-------1.9-------2.9---------4.7------11.2-----10.0

Source:
http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levi...onship1999.pdf
(table 6)

I've kind of lost my way over the last 10 pages, so can you explain to me how we got here? Is the point that poverty affects various cultures differently? Because I can get behind that.

[Big_Japan]

The amount of butthurt in the last 8 pages is earth shattering. I'm legitimately worried about you iruinedyourda -- if you need someone to talk to I'm a good listener. I really am here for you, no sarcasm. I still love you as much as ever even when you send me angry PMs.