Hey Forsaken

[quido]

fight me irl

[central scrutinizer]

pls do not let anger be supplanted by compulsion


this could be so beautiful

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can accept and even respect loyalty to your guild and friends Clark but man you really need help. When you start randomly threatening harm to people outside of game that's when it becomes serious. With all the nutcases now days that think its acceptable to act out and harm others over perceived slights if your not careful that could land you in legal trouble or worse. Please man if you do nothing else seek support and help whether it is from family, friends or professionals. I know forums like RNF and games like EQ, etc. promote anonymity but some of your raging seems to be dangerous for you and others. It goes beyond simple frustration or trolling. Get out enjoy the sunshine, read a book, do anything you want to but whatever you decide to do take a break from the game and forums. The new perspective afterwards might help.

I already tan outside son. I read books. I have a baller car, and full-time job. The problem is you didn't witness any of the continual harassment I experienced; therefore you cannot hold a complete understanding of the situation. I definitely don't need any help I'm a beast.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please describe these inapplicable variables as you see them. You've mentioned this three times but failed to point them out and explain why they are inapplicable.

Again, the question was this:

Can a group of players go from Class C to Class R en masse without waiting for the 30-day cooldown period by merely changing their guild and therefore escaping (purposely or not) any restrictions, lockouts, sanctions, suspensions, or other conditions applied to their original guild? Yes or no.

Let's break this down:

- Can a group of players go from Class C to Class R en masse

1) A large majority of TMO (Class C) formed up Forsaken and then killed Class R mobs. Fact, unless you're trying to tell us Forsaken is not TMO re-forming under a new guildtag.

2) Killing a Class R mob, unless your intention was to receive a suspension, implies that said group of players are in Class R.

- without waiting for the 30-day cooldown period

There is a 30-day cooldown period mandated by server staff going from Class C to Class R. Fact. The group of players being discussed did not wait 30 days before killing a Class R mob. Fact.

- and therefore escaping (purposely or not) any restrictions, lockouts, sanctions, suspensions, or other conditions applied to their original guild?

You've already conceded punitive measures should follow the players. There is no clean slate by your own acceptance that punitive measures should follow the players, correct?

But why stop there and just cherry pick punitive measures? Why not all restrictions/conditions/lockouts/rules of the server?

Furthermore, how am I cherry picking when I include ALL of that stuff?

What part of this question is not based reality? What variables do not apply?

That Forsaken is largely made up of ex-TMO?

That there is a 30-day cooldown period that was not observed?

That restrictions of their original guild should no longer apply, allowing players to circumvent the raid rules by vacating their guild?

Please help me understand by breaking it down for me. No diverting. No dodging. No changing the parameters of the question and then answering that. No whipping out debate terms to avoid addressing any of these points.

1) Isn't a fact under half of TMO membership joined Forsaken.

TMO is a Class C guild. TMO exists.
Forsaken is a new guild.

What punitive measures was Forsaken or TMO under at that time? None--Fact
Didn't cherry pick punitive measures. Punitive measures are a punishment. TMO was not being punished for anything... therefore nothing punitive to transfer.

Forsaken reformed as a new guild with no kill history. TMO still exists with over half of its original membership.

Why didn't you answer the pertinent questions I asked you about guild splitting examples?(Cherry picking)

Please stop diverting and dodging these questions.

Punitive measures are assigned to all individuals in a guild class restrictions should be assigned to guilds. Are you are saying that if a TMO member apped to Taken and can now not raid class R mobs for 30 days.
Is the majority of Forsaken the majority of TMO? If TMO instead splintered into 3-4 guilds...are all those guilds Class C? Where do you draw the line?
If Forsaken instead merged with Taken... would they be Class R or Class C? If Forsaken merged into A-Team instead of taking a new guild name would they be Class R or Class C?

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Susvain2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pm from Clark

Also been courting this cute little petite blonde at work, but not going hard in the paint on that until a few more weeks. Laying the ground work she has been flirting a lot though. We were talking about the Cavs week ago and she said "I thought about you last night." So she is definitely interested.

workinon RL yowl

That is correct senator. So who is sending you my private pm's? Only people I sent that message to was Uncharted and Iruinedyourday.

Definitely couldn't be Uncharted.

You doing me dirty Iruinedyourday?

[Clark]

Sharing personal pms is fuckin low down and dirty.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's break this down:

- Can a group of players go from Class C to Class R en masse

1) A large majority of TMO (Class C) formed up Forsaken and then killed Class R mobs. Fact, unless you're trying to tell us Forsaken is not TMO re-forming under a new guildtag.

Ok. Forsaken is not TMO re-forming under a new guildtag. TMO fractured. There's quite a few of us, myself included, who don't support the new guild or have much (any faith) in its leadership. Forsaken is a new guild. Same people. Not the same number of people or resources TMO had. The suspension is unfortunate seeing as the new guild needs as much momentum as possible, but it's also hilarious and speaks volumes of the coup's leadership.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was thinking about doing this. You should have put in his quote about how real life threats aren't acceptable... while posting those above quotes.

Private guild forums are completely separate from this forum. You and Quickfingers are the only people dirty enough to post private shit publicly.

Tool.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) Isn't a fact under half of TMO membership joined Forsaken.

TMO is a Class C guild. TMO exists.
Forsaken is a new guild.

What punitive measures was Forsaken or TMO under at that time? None--Fact
Didn't cherry pick punitive measures. Punitive measures are a punishment. TMO was not being punished for anything... therefore nothing punitive to transfer.

Forsaken reformed as a new guild with no kill history. TMO still exists with over half of its original membership.

Why didn't you answer the pertinent questions I asked you about guild splitting examples?(Cherry picking)

Please stop diverting and dodging these questions.

Punitive measures are assigned to all individuals in a guild class restrictions should be assigned to guilds. Are you are saying that if a TMO member apped to Taken and can now not raid class R mobs for 30 days.
Is the majority of Forsaken the majority of TMO? If TMO instead splintered into 3-4 guilds...are all those guilds Class C? Where do you draw the line?
If Forsaken instead merged with Taken... would they be Class R or Class C? If Forsaken merged into A-Team instead of taking a new guild name would they be Class R or Class C?

per·ti·nent ˈpərtnənt/ adjective adjective: pertinent relevant or applicable to a particular matter; apposite. "she asked me a lot of very pertinent questions"

No, none of these scenarios seem pertinent.

hare·brained ˈherbrānd/ adjective adjective: hare-brained; adjective: harebrained rash; ill-judged. "a harebrained scheme" synonyms: ill-judged, rash, foolish, foolhardy, reckless, madcap, wild, silly, stupid, ridiculous, absurd, idiotic, asinine, imprudent, impracticable, unworkable, unrealistic, unconsidered, half-baked, ill-thought-out, ill-advised, ill-conceived; More

That seems more appropriate.

[Faron]

alarti thinks that if you sound what he considers to be formal and namedrop an uncommonly used word then you "win".