OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[JayN]

"Either the good players will shed the cheaters or the cheaters will risk another Froovy/Internode situation and cause not 1, but 2 guilds to be banned."

or a couple of scheming asshole could screw a whole lot of people; even worse next time!

[Yinikren]

I'm butthurt, someone called me a faggot. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But seriously, a proposal like mine, on top of being easily policed and enforced, would open up raiding for at least 4-5 guilds on the server. Which is, y'know, what the CSR team wanted.

I'll come right out and say that you elite raiders don't like my idea because you're losing more mobs than you think you should. I don't expect you to like it. I'm not making the system to help you kill more shit.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Happyfeet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if myself and 15 others leave TMO and join Europa, I guarantee we'll get targets. What is to stop this? We're not cheating, you can't prove we didn't leave for a legit reason. We'll take our loots, add it in with TMO's, done deal. Shit even just VP key all the Europa people and kill some Xygoz/SW while we're at it.

Deru is 100% right, I think that point shit is TERRIBLE. Both yinikren and Beruwhatever's posts are just absolute trash.

Give up your droppable loot, who cares. However, when you go to give that ex guild of your some no-drops, you'll be seen as circumventing the raiding rules and have both of your guilds banned.

Welcome to the new raiding rules.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's absolutely no reason after 2 years of domination FE/IB should get VP and any more non-VP raid targets than anyone else.

If fighting a losing battle for a few months is somehow the same thing as dominating for two years then yea I agree with you. Otherwise, I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Hailto]

It's a good thing your opinion means fuck all in the grand scheme of things isn't it Yinikren?

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're comparing a single guild to half of the server.

Just stop replying now.

First of all you can hardly call a few guilds half the server, but even if it were half does it make it ok for one half of the server to refuse to work with the others, as long as its the casual side with the loaded gun? Everyone keeps talking about cooperation and good will and such when in reality they've decided what they want and will accept nothing less.

Also why is a person who is no longer even in a guild casual/hardcore or otherwise that Im aware of trying to tell me not to post in a thread about guild raiding? Is RNF really so slow right now that you have to come in here and stir the pot?

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe that's what this is all about (the discussing compromise part.) I think people are making plenty clear that this proposal is not compromise. It's no different than how the raid scene has already been held hostage for the last two years, except this time you guys do not have sweeping authority over what happens. If you consider that holding the raid scene hostage then that's your opinion. Must suck. Welcome to what we have dealt with for years.

People are not going to fall over themselves and rush to an agreement that doesn't change much for the better, in the fear of a suspension because that would be almost like any other day for us anyways.

This is exactly the kind of cancerous attitude you've all been claiming you want to get rid of. This entire discussion has shifted from finding a system that everyone can live with to the casual guilds feeling like theyre in the midst of some kind of e-revolution where now THEYRE the ones who make the rules and to hell with the "oppressive hardcore guilds"

[Seltius]

I think epics should come along with a height requirement

You must be this tall to turn in. Maybe put the turn in mob on a platform so anyone under a certain height cant reach it?

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TOOO SHORT!

Really im joking! Seriously..

But am I? maybe short people should automatically get handed to them for being vertically challenged.

[Autotune]

I say just take the names of everyone here posting ways that they would try to skirt the new rules and then just ban them when they do anything remotely close to it, problem solved.

However, I'm sure they'd be more willing to fall in line with it than what they suggest they are doing. Please stop making up fake situations that the majority of the people aren't going to attempt. These mass amount of shady people you keep creating simply don't exist

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Design a system where FE/IB and TMO get 25% or less (not 67% or more) of all non-VP targets and it might get some attention. There's absolutely no reason after 2 years of domination FE/IB should get VP and any more non-VP raid targets than anyone else. Cap all guilds at 1 kill of each target per month. Hell, it's better than this shit proposal.

Oh wow.. You guys are actually lumping TMO and FE-IB together now as far as kills per month as if FE-IB benefited from all those TMO kills. What alternate reality is this ?

[JayN]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I say just take the names of everyone here posting ways that they would try to skirt the new rules and then just ban them when they do anything remotely close to it, problem solved.

However, I'm sure they'd be more willing to fall in line with it than what they suggest they are doing. Please stop making up fake situations that the majority of the people aren't going to attempt. These mass amount of shady people you keep creating simply don't exist

Lets hope the really shady guys are not quite...

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