Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know it's not, you're just fighting it. An even split still puts you ahead by 2 years out of 2 years and 3* months.

*subject to change

So? We earned that time. You have every opportunity to compete with us.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So? We earned that time. You have every opportunity to compete with us.

We didn't. You won out for that long. Grats. Act like a human.

[baramur]

Expecting TMO and FE/IB to just roll over and offer up equal shares of mobs they have worked hard to get to, or spend the time parking and tracking is just utter stupidity. Now asking these 2 guilds to share a portion and give every other guild a chance to kill these mobs is perfectly acceptable. Just simplify it hugely and say 1st week of month fe/ib and Tmo will not raid, with exception to VP. Every other week its game on. If TMO/FE/IB want to agree to share others in the other 3 weeks they can talk amongst themselves and do so.

You act like guilds are ENTITLED to EQUAL shares of loot, with LESS effort put forth. And to me this just does not equate.

THIS equates to a 25 percent open mobs outside vp for every guild besides the top 2 on server. During this week the other guilds could set a limit so that no 3rd guild like BDA or Taken monopolizes the content. Seriously this is the simplest way to do it, its easy to say 1st through 8th of every month tmo/fe/ib are on raid break outside vp.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Need more input from AG, Taken, Europa, Div, knights who say ni, doljon, ect.

90% of this thread is Alarti and Jeremy telling us how no one other than them deserve to see raid mobs.

I'm willing to bet there is significantly less than 432 posts combined my me and Jeremy.

Seems like another one of your statistics just got DEBUNKED!

[Magicant]

We would be more than happy to talk/discuss with any of the guild leaders about the issues in the raid scene moving forward. If you would like to use our vent I would be more than happy to facilitate it. If you would like this you can PM me or tell me in game, just ask any IB member if I am on. There is no yelling or childish acting however and it will be limited to ~2 members that have authority to make decisions for their guild.

I would prefer the server staff be involved if they are going to be enforcing this. I think in order to support so many guilds in this community the staff would need to join us to discuss changing the mob spawn mechanics (IE repops, lowers variance etc)

Please create a private forum and give access to only the leadership so the staff can weigh in and we can have a discussion. I do not believe these 50 page public threads are productive.

I am currently unsure regarding who the leadership of the TMO organization currently is. I got 5 different answers from their members when just asking randomly.

Swarws

[Yinikren]

TMO, IBFE because they raid together, BDA, Taken, Divinity, Azure Guard, A team, Europa, just off the top of my head. Bob guild hasn't been around long enough.

[baramur]

You cannot create a system that makes lower tier guilds have equal loot rights as upper tier guilds. TMO as much as i despise them, and IB/FE as much as they are starting to be despised, put in alot more effort to get raid mobs then other guilds. Why should their hard work not be rewarded. Personally the system should be 75-80% competition and only 20-25% rotation/point based/whatever. How bout simplifying it to just no guild can kill more then 40% of raid point tiered system. For example.

PD 40pts x 4 spawn month= 160 points
Trak 30pts x 10 spawn= 300 points
VS 25 pts x 4 spawn = 100 points
CT 25 pts x 4 spawn = 100 points
Inny 20 pts x 4 spawn = 100points
Gore/Sev/Fay/Tal 20pts x 16 spawns = 320 points
VP dragons(not including pd) 20pts x 20spawn= 400 points.
Draco 15 pts x 10 spawns = 150points
Maestro 15 pts x 10 spawns = 150 points

Points would need tweaked for higher end to be alot more points then lower end was just an outline. PD be more like 60 trak more like 50 for example.

Total 1880 Average points per month in raid mobs. Any guild can kill combined value up to 1880 x .4 = roughly 750 pts per month. This means if even the top 2 guilds max out theres still 20 percent raid content open to the lower level guilds. The 2 top guilds will be fighting each other on the higher end mobs automatically and not wanting to lock themselves out of a pd or trak, which will free up alot of world content. But asking the top 2 guilds that have busted their ass to leave over 50 percent raid content free now, is ridiculous, there has to be some effort involved.

[quido]

Originally Posted by baramur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Personally the system should be 75-80% competition and only 20-25% rotation/point based/whatever.

Shut up with this nonsense you fool - we have a majority faction chomping at the bit to maximize their own interests and you shan't stand in their way!

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shut up with this nonsense you fool - we have a majority faction chomping at the bit to maximize their own interests and you shan't stand in their way!

He was tongue in cheek, but he's right regardless.

[reborn649]

Posted this on another thread, but posting it here as well:

I played on VZ a couple years and anytime something spawned, it was an all out war to get first dibs. After a bunch of friends decided to go blue, i tagged along and it was all about who could get to what mob first and down it. We want classic, that's as classic as you can get. A rotation is no different than raid instances in WoW and earning enough points to down XYZ mob next week is about the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You guys wanted classic EQ and everything your arguing is not viable on a blue server. Go PvP if you wanna stop guilds from killing XYZ mob. If that doesn't sound fun, then figure out a different way to compete.

My point is, we all quit so many MMO's (for most probably WoW), because they became to easy and felt like a handout. At what point do you stop and realize we might be doing the same thing on P99 if end game competition is removed? Mobs like VS/Trak/CT/VP were always super competitive. Could "higher end guilds" back off of Talendor/Fay/Gore/Etc...that makes sense. But don't take all the competition out of the game or were back to easy mode, which will only keep things fun for so long. If you don't believe me, why aren't you still playing the last 10 MMO's you tried out?

We cant love EQ because its hard and then complain its hard down the road...no matter what is making it difficult at the time. Guilds, disagreements with camps, cant get X npc to spawn after camping it 24hrs straight, etc...