not a single player has told me to plan on raiding

[enr4ged]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

RBB, White Dragon Scales, Hierophant`s Crook, DHB...yea what a bunch of crap that doesn't sell. What a great testimony to your veteran server knowledge (all it takes it a wiki search bro). And given that Gore is down the day it spawns, it clearly is contested.
I have no doubt that there are many TMO members (but not all) that have several alts. I just simply call BS on the story about full raid forces of alts camped at every raid target. Maybe they T-Staff naggy like on my old server, [or check a few other easy targets every 3-4 hours..otherwise, I'll believe it when I see it.
All of which is beside the point. Which is that top raid guilds have always dominated most the top content. That is what EQ was until instancing. There is nothing especially greedy about TMO from what I've seen. The only thing different about p1999 from live, is the time between expansions. If the server was Luclin era, people would be bitching about TMO alts camping AoW for cash between their VT raids. If TMO didn't exist it would FE or some other guild. If no guild locked down Kurnark dragons (whether this era or any other till post GoD), than some group of players would regardless.
These complaints are about causal vs dedicated players..nothing more.

Speaking of TMO...

350k for green scales
500k for bard epic piece

And those are just the ones I've personally witnessed over the past 2 weeks.

Yeah, that is the definition of greedy. It's one thing to use items for mains but when you see them tossing off green scales for 350k and bard epic pieces for 500k it's greedy, and at that point it's less about the actual game and really shady...

[arsenalpow]

Like 750 for slime blood (necro epic)

[quido]

Insert comment from Sominus about Ramen Noodles

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most recently:
FE downed gore with 33, which is about our average raid force.
She dropped a shield which is amazing for VP frost wurms, a scale which will eventually be used for someones epic, and some other items which I forget. If TMO had gotten this kill these items would be on the market in EC within hours. Dont believe me? Zone into EC when zeelot or eccezan is there.

Yet when FE gets a kill all loot is used by mains who need, how are we even placed in the same category as TMO? For christs sake they are running a pay to play scheme in VP meanwhile anyone not in TMO will have to wait months after velious is out to even go there unless they pay TMO or spend hours training against their 100 character raid force just to get an attempt at a dragon.


The problem.on p99 isn't mechanics, raid mobs spawn time, or anything thr GMs can change. P99s problem is TMO, has been for years. When people realize this on a grand scale maybe they will join forces and rid p99 of its cancer.

Originally Posted by enr4ged [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Speaking of TMO...

350k for green scales
500k for bard epic piece

And those are just the ones I've personally witnessed over the past 2 weeks.

Yeah, that is the definition of greedy. It's one thing to use items for mains but when you see them tossing off green scales for 350k and bard epic pieces for 500k it's greedy, and at that point it's less about the actual game and really shady...

Yep, 2 years of this shit now. When will it be enough really?

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like 750 for slime blood (necro epic)

Pathetic greed at its finest, what would you propose we do to change such scummy aspects of the p99 raid scene since the GMs have stated many times that its up to the players to make changes.

[Bazia]

if u dont believe there are full raid forces camped out on a huge majority of targets or within 2-3 minutes of a target then you are stupid and/or new

[LiQuid]

What I don't get is at this point is it not considered griefing to monopolize content to this extent? If a guild on this server composed of all high level characters made it a mission to go and monopolize every newbie zone in the game insuring that no new character could level up from 1-5 would the GMs not step in and stop them? Or would newbies have to run around trying to FTE rats and bats?

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by LiQuid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I don't get is at this point is it not considered griefing to monopolize content to this extent? If a guild on this server composed of all high level characters made it a mission to go and monopolize every newbie zone in the game insuring that no new character could level up from 1-5 would the GMs not step in and stop them? Or would newbies have to run around trying to FTE rats and bats?

Look I dislike the insane alpha-nerd competition that goes on on this server. But griefing? That's ridiculous. TMO simply designed their guild to play the variance game (a copy of IB's original model, and FE the latest instance). You get a whole bunch of players who really want the pixels, you give DKP for tracking, you recruit worldwide, etc etc. It's not TMO's fault that Velious is going to take 3 years to come out. Do you really expect a bunch of hardcore EQers to just say 'eh, we'll just all go on vacation for 2 years?'

[xarzzardorn]

Originally Posted by LiQuid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I don't get is at this point is it not considered griefing to monopolize content to this extent? If a guild on this server composed of all high level characters made it a mission to go and monopolize every newbie zone in the game insuring that no new character could level up from 1-5 would the GMs not step in and stop them? Or would newbies have to run around trying to FTE rats and bats?

people already do this with bard aoe

[Crazyeye]

Originally Posted by LiQuid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I don't get is at this point is it not considered griefing to monopolize content to this extent? If a guild on this server composed of all high level characters made it a mission to go and monopolize every newbie zone in the game insuring that no new character could level up from 1-5 would the GMs not step in and stop them? Or would newbies have to run around trying to FTE rats and bats?

Plush, i like you but come on now griefing? It'd be pretty hard to monopolize 50+ mobs in 9+ starting zones, but in the raiding scene there is no where else to move to after being 2 and a half years overdue for velious, so we try to keep entertained with what we currently have to raid which is pretty limited considering the amount of level 60's on two and a half years of stagnant content

[LiQuid]

Originally Posted by Crazyeye [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Plush, i like you but come on now griefing? It'd be pretty hard to monopolize 50+ mobs in 9+ starting zones, but in the raiding scene there is no where else to move to after being 2 and a half years overdue for velious, so we try to keep entertained with what we currently have to raid which is pretty limited considering the amount of level 60's on two and a half years of stagnant content

Was just asking a question. A few days ago FC was in Hate with a full raid force clearing the zone when Inny popped and within moments TMO and FE were in there making a disaster out of our raid. How hard would it have been for you guys to come up and say "oh hey, this guild is already here with a sufficient force, let's back down for a while and let them try it out?" Instead of just turned into a massive cluster eff that literally ruined our evening. Even though we did manage to get FTE and awarded loot, we were denied a chance to even attempt the kill legitimately because of ePeen nonsense. This is the type of deliberate stomping on lesser guilds' fun that strikes me as griefing more than just trying to keep entertained.

I understand wanting to try and keep the game fun with nowhere else to go in the game but host a newbie race and give away some banked loot to the winner or have some in-game weddings to help lighten the mood on the server. I've grouped with bunch of TMO folks over the course of Plush's life and there's a lot of legitimately cool people there but why do I never hear stories of TMO magnanimity? It's just stomping and hoarding and stomping and more stomping. Is a Full Circle ranger or necro getting an epic really going to hurt TMO's chance at dominance in Velious?