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For people who are interested in why FSI is the Min/Max option, please refer to these two posts:
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=267 - This is hard data showing that FSI prevents stuns from occurring roughly 8.5% of the time when a kick/bash attempt is made. https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=273 - This shows three practical scenarios where FSI would have saved hundreds of HP worth of damage in a short time period. Damage spikes where you take 10-20% of your total life in damage are more problamatic than saving maybe 30 seconds of recovery time after a fight via Iksar/Troll Regen when you have Torpor. Here is Troxx, the strongest opposition to FSI, agreeing that passive regeneration from Fungi Tunic and Iksar/Troll Regeneration is not necessary on a Torpor Shaman: Quote:
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Bcbrown incorrectly attempted to average FSI's damage reduction over multiple fights using the trigger percentage of FSI to make it appear that FSI does not reduce hundreds of damage in a single fight https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=281 . Comparing how much Iksar/Troll Regeneration provides in a single fight over 17 seconds to the average damage FSI reduces over multiple fights is an apples to oranges comparison. It is dishonest at worst, and bad math at best. Bcbrown has also done some trolling in this thread: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=238 - This is a common lie and strawman perpetuated by trolls who cannot rebut points. https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=190 - This is Bcbrown supporting Troxx's fake medical diagnosis, which also supports Troxx's trolling. When Troxx cannot rebut points, he resorts to silly gifs and fake autism medical diagnoses: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=182 - fake medical diagnosis. https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=240 - Silly gif https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=156 - Silly gif https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=151 - Silly gif https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=100 - Silly gif https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...9&postcount=38 - Silly gif
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Some of you arguments don’t follow through.
Maybe FSI is the best for a torp shaman, but some of the points you make fail to argue that. For example: Admitting regen isn’t necessary on a torp shaman is not the same as admitting fsi is best - neither are needed on a torp shaman! Using the same faulty logic you may as well argue the opposite - fsi isn’t needed by a torpor shaman so regen is best! Of course it is not possible for it to be both ways - they aren’t dichotomous so don’t really pair up as null/alternative hypothesis and therefore disproving one doesn’t support the other. I think this is a detail you are overlooking - you seem to assume that posters who discuss your position of FSI are doing to support other racials as ‘best’ (and in some cases those posters may be doing so) but in many cases other posters don’t really have a favourite, they are just pointing out flaws in your arguments and you are pigeon holing them into being regen simps (I know you have done so to me in the past).
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I think the real issue is people are afraid of finalizing these kinds of discussions with facts and evidence, because that means there will be less to talk about on the forums. I think a lot of people prefer to shoot the shit with random information and don't really care if it is true. I like shooting the shit too, but the Class Discussions section is specifically designed to answer questions about classes in a factual manner. There are other areas on this forum to shoot the shit.
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It’s ok. DSM is just flailing at this point. He does this in every DSM thread. I don’t know who he thinks he is talking to with these summary posts.
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The value of FSI is that it changes the probabilities of those state transitions, making it less likely you end up in the state of low health, slow failed to land. Markov Chain analysis was invented for precisely these types of problems, and the wikipedia article is at least somewhat intelligible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_chain#Transitions I'm not willing to put in that much effort for this topic, and so went with a simplified analysis. But you correctly pointed out the "wiggle room" I was talking about; DSM I think intuitively understand the objection as well, but unfortunately he is unable to articulate it, which is why he's now talking about wizard nukes. I think the next area of improvement would be to replace the DPS number with a distribution, which lets us recognize that sometimes over a short interval a mob will do drastically more than average damage and sometimes drastically less. If, for example, we can say that 5% of the time a mob hits you for 400 damage, we can further refine the range out outcomes, and better quantify the probability that a fight turns so poor that one is forced to abandon the effort and gate out. Unfortunately, as a filthy casual who's never leveled past 51, and never played a tank at all, I simply don't have the logs or intuitive understanding to build that probability distribution, and so I must rely on the DPS number that was provided to me. But if anyone else is interested in that analysis, I remain willing, even eager, to collaborate. Quote:
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I prefer to speak in plain terms, because not everybody understands concepts like Markov Chains. Nor do people need to write out Markov chains to describe the benefits of FSI when looking at it from a high level. You still havent addressed your obvious mistake in comparing averages of different timescales, and seem content to avoid the discussion all together.
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Keep on flailing. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] #WizardNukesTotallyRelevant
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