Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trying to gaslight me now?

The overwhelming majority of people in this thread must also be "silly trolls" too, right?

Very cordial...

Hey you stopped the insults when you realized what you are doing. Progress! I am not sure why you think you are the cordial person here when you have done nothing but post the same insults ad nauseum.

Glad I could help you realize where you were going wrong. Maybe we can have a normal conversation.

And yes, it is pretty obvious there are multiple trolls in this thread. You can see all the posts that are just gifs lol. Unfortunately for you the trolls aren't doing much to hide it.

[fortior]

Shamans aren't even the best soloing class, what is this all about

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shamans aren't even the best soloing class, what is this all about

They are the second best solo class. I don't think anyone said they were the best, other than random strawman arguments.

[fortior]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They are the second best solo class. I don't think anyone said they were the best, other than random strawman arguments.

Nah, they’re behind druids, necros, enchanters, and bards.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah, they’re behind druids, necros, enchanters, and bards.

Not at all.

Necros and Druids are limited by the type of mob they can charm. There are less zones they can operate efficiently in because of this. Bards are great for clearing trash, not so much named mobs.

Enchanters are the best solo class because they can do more content in more zones than any other class. Shamans are second best in that regard. They can do a lot of content in a lot of zones solo, without a specific restriction other than slow immunity. Luckily this is fairly rare in soloable mobs.

If you are referring to solo speed while leveling, I agree Shamans aren't as fast as Druids, Necros, or Bards. However, leveling speed doesn't really matter if you don't plan on reaching 60. If you are the type of player who levels to 50 and stops, I am not sure what you are rushing for. If you are planning on reaching 60, it is more important to understand what your character is going to do at 60.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not at all.

Necros and Druids are limited by the type of mob they can charm. There are less zones they can operate efficiently in because of this. Bards are great for clearing trash, not so much named mobs.

Enchanters are the best solo class because they can do more content in more zones than any other class. Shamans are second best in that regard. They can do a lot of content in a lot of zones solo, without a specific restriction other than slow immunity. Luckily this is fairly rare in soloable mobs.

If you are referring to solo speed while leveling, I agree Shamans aren't as fast as Druids, Necros, or Bards. However, leveling speed doesn't really matter if you don't plan on reaching 60. If you are the type of player who levels to 50 and stops, I am not sure what you are rushing for. If you are planning on reaching 60, it is more important to understand what your character is going to do at 60.

I'm not sure why you think that the solo ranking of a class translates into a 4 man group situation. The only reason you have an overlap in enchanters is because of charmed pet dps. If this wasn't the case, you would not want 2 enchanters in a group. Group dynamics change as the amount of group members change, with the exception of enc/cleric as this translates into all levels of play as these are pretty much the 2 most powerful classes in group content.

Also, Necros are not necessarily dependent on the type of mob they can charm for solo. If you watch some of UnchainedFury's solo videos, they get to a point where they can just face tank stuff spamming lifetap as needed. OP has not specified the level of gear associated with each class, so we have nothing to go on there. They can also fear kite when appropriate as well, and as been revealed in other threads, it's not difficult to throw fear down in dungeons in certain situations. In this composition I'd actually choose them over shaman as they are capable of outputting more dps with their superior dots, pet, and potential charm pet as well, in addition to bringing FD and Harmshield, not to mention emergency rez if needed. Their patch heal is likely sufficient enough to fill in if the cleric is busy as well. And with 2 enchanters, you could easily have 1 or even both of them on slow duty, since maintaining a charmed pet does not cost a lot of mana. A shaman would bring malo, but not having it isn't necessarily the end of the world, as pet kits can offset there and I doubt there's a mob out there that this potential 4 man group would need malo to land a slow on to win. And since you introduced pocket chars, you could easily have a pocket coth mage to drop a malo in if needed, as this class would be extremely easy to PL with enchanter aoe stun if you wanted to level one up.

[fortior]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not at all.

Necros and Druids are limited by the type of mob they can charm. There are less zones they can operate efficiently in because of this. Bards are great for clearing trash, not so much named mobs.

Enchanters are the best solo class because they can do more content in more zones than any other class. Shamans are second best in that regard. They can do a lot of content in a lot of zones solo, without a specific restriction other than slow immunity. Luckily this is fairly rare in soloable mobs.

If you are referring to solo speed while leveling, I agree Shamans aren't as fast as Druids, Necros, or Bards. However, leveling speed doesn't really matter if you don't plan on reaching 60. If you are the type of player who levels to 50 and stops, I am not sure what you are rushing for. If you are planning on reaching 60, it is more important to understand what your character is going to do at 60.

Nah. Enchanters are the most versatile soloing class, but Necromancers and Druids at least have niches of their own in being dad-friendly (infinite use feign death) and mobile (porting around, being able to bind at a camp and port to sell/xfer) while being less versatile. Bards are the king of xp/hr with 10 plat in gear on a fresh server and deserve a mention because of that. Shamans are just worse Enchanters.

It's a class with no rez, no port, no charm spell. It's an entirely mediocre soloing class bombarded to god-like status because it can facetank and very slowly grind down impressive-looking mobs with minimal input required. You can kill a lot of mobs, but you lack the tools to efficiently get to the location of the mob, isolate the mob, and dps the mob.

Everyone looks at the time it takes to kill a mob, but you have to get there first. Druids reign supreme when there's something to charm for dps since they can just port there. Enchanters can paci down a dungeon before a shaman makes it past the first pack of mobs. I feel bad for people who kit out a Shaman and find out that they never evolve from 'facetank mob, whittle it down'. You'll never be able to port. You'll never be able to paci. You'll never be able to feign death without recharging your sky ring. You'll never be able to charm without using puppet strings clicks.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by fortior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shamans aren't even the best soloing class, what is this all about

It's been argued that when shaman gets access to puppet strings and boatload a of high end gear, that they just manage to surpass enchanter.

That's irrelevant, though. The thing this fool is arguing about is that this hypothetical group would allow him to root rot in a 2 charm group.

They wouldn't. Noone would.

[Gloomlord]

You can't claim bizarre things like "groups allow shamans to root rot in a charm group", in order to prove shaman does more DPS than mage, then proclaim anyone who calls you out on how absurd this situation is with anger and/or ridicule as "silly trolls".

I'm sorry, DSM, but you know this is patently rude and insane to do in a 2 charm group.

And if you claim the 4th member is irrelevant ultimately, then why wouldn't I want a druid? This group gets ports to where it wants to go, and may even get POTG and an extra charm.

It's checkmate. Come on! You can't get out of this.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't claim bizarre things like "groups allow shamans to root rot in a charm group", in order to prove shaman does more DPS than mage, then proclaim anyone who calls you out on how absurd this situation is with anger and/or ridicule as "silly trolls".

I'm sorry, DSM, but you know this is patently rude and insane to do in a 2 charm group.

And if you claim the 4th member is irrelevant ultimately, then why wouldn't I want a druid? This group gets ports to where it wants to go, and may even get POTG and an extra charm.

It's checkmate. Come on! You can't get out of this.

You are called a silly troll because you deserve it. I am not sure why you think calling everybody insane liars isn't rude lol. Why are you so special that you can be rude to others, but get hurt if they return the favor?[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do not get to dictate what is effective in this game just because you think it lessens the need for a Mage. You have no evidence to suggest root rotting is ineffective, and you clearly haven't tried it. It is quite bold to simply make a proclimation about something you know nothing about.

On a server with dial a port, it is a waste of space to have a dedicated porter unfortunately. You have enough DPS with 2 Enchanters, so the situational charm really isn't necessary.