Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You remember that comment I made about having a wizard and bard doing their own thing parallel to 4 other people taking one mob at a time? You remember how I said how insanely illogical it would be for them to be engaging in a snare kite would be in this group?

Nobody said that shaman couldn't hypothetically do more damage than a mage with enough rooted targets taking DoTs -- we said it was adding unnecessary risk to this 4 man group, and that it wasn't conducive to speeding up the kills in a charm group.

Listen: I know you're not very intelligent, considering you're back here again, but can't you see how irrelevant shaman is here in a 2 enchanter 1 cleric group?

You really can't see how you're being checkmated here once again?

I am not sure why you are angry then, or disagreeing with me. You seem to agree that Shamans can out DPS a Mage when root rotting, which was my point.

I simply disagree that root rotting is risky in a group scenario, because a Shaman can do it just fine solo. It wouldn't be a very good solo strategy if it was so risky you are dying often.

Please stop trying to discourage people from playing the game in different ways simply because your ego can't handle it.

[Gloomlord]

But why would a shaman be doing that? This isn't a group with 2 necromancers and 1 bard -- this is a group with 2 enchanters and 1 cleric. Mage is the better fit for this group.

Meanwhile, in order to reach this higher DPS in order to show that mages are somehow the inferior DPS class, you're either doing very low targets to prevent a problem, which mean nothing in an exp group and a group trying to get some really juicy loot, or you get unlucky root resists which could waste time at best or spiral out of control at worst.

Why would 2 enchanters be fine with you doing this in their 2 charm group as they safely obliterate one mob at a time? Would they do it to appease your childish attempt to prove a point?

Your ego comment might have got to me if it weren't for the fact you've demonstrated over the course of this thread your complete and utter lack of sanity, intelligence and maturity.

In fact: why am I even trying to make counter arguments to you again? Despite my anger towards you, I still feel I'm being too polite by repeating myself again after more than 6 months.

You've had this told to you before, in case you've forgotten (you haven't).

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But why would a shaman be doing that? This isn't a group with 2 necromancers and 1 bard -- this is a group with 2 enchanters and 1 cleric. Mage is the better fit for this group.

Meanwhile, in order to reach this higher DPS in order to show that mages are somehow the inferior DPS class, you're either doing very low targets to prevent a problem, which mean nothing in an exp group and a group trying to get some really juicy loot, or you get unlucky root resists which could waste time at best or spiral out of control at worst.

Why would 2 enchanters be fine with you doing this in their 2 charm group as they safely obliterate one mob at a time? Would they do it to appease your childish attempt to prove a point?

Your ego comment might have got to me if it weren't for the fact you've demonstrated over the course of this thread your complete and utter lack of sanity, intelligence and maturity.

In fact: why am I even trying to make counter arguments to you again? Despite my anger towards you, I still feel I'm being too polite by repeating myself again after more than 6 months.

You've had this told to you before, in case you've forgotten (you haven't).

I think you forgot that people basically kept bouncing back and forth between XP groups and Loot groups to muddy the water because their arguments couldn't hold water.

In an XP group, the Shaman can root/rot if you want more kills, because XP groups are generally killing mobs easy enough to do so. I can't really think of a location that a group would go to where they can chainsaw mobs extremely fast, while also fighting a bunch of mobs with heavy magic resistance. It's a very specific scenario you are trying to create to prove your point, and that isn't P99 generally speaking.

In a Loot group, a Shaman provides great utility including damage mitigation, and DPS isn't that relevant when you are already doing so much of it with the 2x Enchanter pets. The difference between 200 DPS and 250 DPS on a mob with 18000 HP (Fungi King) is 90 seconds vs. 72 seconds. When you are waiting 30 minutes for a mob to respawn, saving 18 seconds is basically irrelevant. That 18 seconds is what the Mage is providing, vs. all the utility a Shaman has to offer.

Again, Mages are a great addition to the team if you are doing a lot of CoTH shenanigans, but most camps don't need that. This is more of a specific scenario where the group has agreed to do certain camps as their primary targets.

[Gloomlord]

This is a whole lot of "I know this is an insane situation I've created, but I'll be damned if I admit to being wrong" to me.

Bards can AoE kite 25 mobs in zones and can do far more DPS than mages. Are you going to tell me with a straight face that bards are the superior DPS class over mages because you fail to realise external factors in that DPS?

DSM -- one of the sorest losers I've ever seen on the internet. And I've been on the internet for more than 20 years on forums.

Just let that sink in.

Yes. He really is that insane...

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a whole lot of "I know this is an insane situation I've created, but I'll be damned if I admit to being wrong" to me.

Bards can AoE kite 25 mobs in zones and can do far more DPS than mages. Are you going to tell me with a straight face that bards are the superior DPS class over mages because you fail to realise external factors in that DPS?

DSM -- one of the sorest losers I've ever seen on the internet. And I've been on the internet for more than 20 years on forums.

Just let that sink in.

Yes. He really is that insane...

You are the only person trying to advocate for bard kiting in a group. Great strawman. But since you cannot rebut the other arguments I made in the last post, that is all you can do.

The amount of space you need for a bard kite is much greater than the space needed for root rotting, so I fail to see why you think you are being clever here with that comparison.

The only extreme situation being created is the one where you have an XP group that can chainsaw through mobs with 2x Enchanters, while also fighting a bunch of mobs that have so much magic resistance that root doesn't work very well. Disregarding the fact that that would influence Enchanter pets as well. You are the one who created this scenario[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Gloomlord]

I'm not advocating for bard kiting in a group! Jesus Christ! How could you miss the point of what I'm getting at?

I'm saying having a shaman root rot in this group is as pointless and insane as a bard AoE kiting in a group that is using charms to kill one mob at a time. Why would either of them be doing that?

You blithering imbecile!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not advocating for bard kiting in a group! Jesus Christ! How could you miss the point of what I'm getting at?

I'm saying having a shaman root rot in this group is as pointless and insane as a bard AoE kiting in a group that is using charms to kill one mob at a time. Why would either of them be doing that?

You blithering imbecile!

I am not missing the point at all. You are the only person who has brought up bard kiting in a group hehe.

Comparing bard kiting to root rotting simply shows how little you know about the game. It's much easier to root rot than it is to set up a bard kit. You can root rot just about anywhere.

Funnily enough, there are some zones where you could probably have a bard kite going while the group kills elsewhere. Velks is a good example. Since the first part of the zone is mostly vertical, you are probably going to be close enough to the bard to get XP if they are swarm kiting at the bottom. So your group could be sitting at frenzy and pulling from the top while the bard is swarming at the bottom. You could be on to something! Only a few zones would support it, which is why you wouldn't take a bard just for that.

[Gloomlord]

Anyone reading this now can see you just missed the point. It doesn't matter if root rotting is more viable than AoE kiting in zones.

Why would I be doing either root rotting or AoE kiting in a 2 charm group with a cleric? How does this aid their method? Why are either of those things preferable to a mage contributing to single target focus?

Read, you simpleton!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone reading this now can see you just missed the point. It doesn't matter if root rotting is more viable than AoE kiting in zones.

Why would I be doing either root rotting or AoE kiting in a 2 charm group with a cleric? How does this aid their method? Why are either of those things preferable to a mage contributing to single target focus?

Read, you simpleton!

If you agree that root rotting is more viable than swarm kiting, then your comparison between root rotting and swarm kiting simply goes out the window. It is an apples to oranges comparison. This means you have no point to make.

The only person not reading is yourself. To answer your question (which I already have), you can root rot mobs while your group is killing singles. It's really not a hard concept. Bring a few mobs into camp and root them while the Shaman is DoTing the mobs that aren't being attacked by the pets. A lot of groups already do the part where they bring multiple mobs into camp and root them away from the pets while they kill one at a time. Just add some DoTs lol, its a few clicks.

[Gloomlord]

And I could be AoE kiting at the bottom of Velks as a Bard in this group, completely outstripping my other 3 teammates as I slowly destroy 25 spiders.

It doesn't matter, you complete idiot, if I completely out DPS the mage. It doesn't matter if I can root rot 3+ mobs next to 3 other teammates doing a charm group.

The point is that it's worthless to this group. You suggest it because shamans can do more DPS than mages, just like kiting mobs as bard does more DPS, but it's worthless to this composition.

The hypothetical two enchanters and one cleric would regard you as an imbecile for wasting their time with your stupid shenanigans. You're just interfering with their one target at a time method, when they possibly could have got some more sustainable DPS from a mage, that only requires hitting the assist and pet attack keybinds.

You're an idiot. I don't think there's anything more I can say here. You were the same moron who thinks warriors are better soloers than enchanters, and that COTH makes mage a "porting class". Is it surprising?