sk starting points

[Jimjam]

I’m gonna take the real world evidence of a very well geared 60 non-giant sk that actually exists and gets played over untested hypothetical builds. Sorry.

Dsm, I also note your sk requires PE to cap sta?

You seem to have selected unbuffed str over int, as it is far over what is needed to cap with buffs. This demonstrates acknowledgement of the value of unbuffed str and that even you don’t take for granted ms/fos. Especially as sk can cast major shielding instead to pump ac/mr.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’m gonna take the real world evidence of a very well geared 60 non-giant sk that actually exists and gets played over untested hypothetical builds. Sorry.

Dsm, I also note your sk requires PE to cap sta?

You seem to have selected unbuffed str over int, as it is far over what is needed to cap with buffs. This demonstrates acknowledgement of the value of unbuffed str and that even you don’t take for granted ms/fos. Especially as sk can cast major shielding instead to pump ac/mr.

The issue with your logic here is you are completely missing how statistics work.

Nobody in this thread has denied that you can cap one stat over another with certain combinations of gear. I do not deny it either.

The only thing that matters is the statistical probability of capping a stat. This is because most players acquire gear organically. You don't know what gear you are going to end up with when you first start your character. Just because a probability is low, it doesn't mean you can't have it occur. INT is the hardest stat to cap statistically speaking using relevant SK gear, and all the data is available on the wiki to show this is the case.

Saying "it can happen" is like telling someone they will win the lottery. It is possible, but statistically unlikely. This is why you do not advise someone to spend there whole life savings on lottery tickets.

As for buffs, you can easily show that you cannot get +235 INT, which means it is also harder to cap in that scenario.

You are incorrect about your assessment of my SK's stats. My SK has a lot more STR because tank gear tends to have STR on it. Trolls also have higher starting STR. My Magelo supports my position that relevant SK gear is more likely to have STR on it, instead of INT. I also put my starting stats into INT.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My prediction is that DSM will now revert to his well known habits of quoting himself and his previous posts and napkin math to somehow "prove" that he is right without directly addressing any discussion. It is his modus operandi when backed into a corner.

Wait for it ...

He WILL do it ...

*cough*


I summed up my thoughts here:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=278

I don’t think I need to type it again.

We are basically at an impasse. The only active participant in this thread who agrees with DSM is DSM.


It’s time to let it die.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*cough*


I summed up my thoughts here:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=278

I don’t think I need to type it again.

We are basically at an impasse. The only active participant in this thread who agrees with DSM is DSM.


It’s time to let it die.

We are not at an impasse.

I have provided a lot more data than you have to back up my position: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=300

Please stop acting like a child and proclaiming victory for no valid reason.

I will be happy to admit I am wrong if you can provide something other than silly gifs. The data you have provided thus far is invalid by your own admission.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We are not at an impasse.

im·passe
/ˈimˌpas,imˈpas/
noun
a situation in which no progress is possible, especially because of disagreement; a deadlock.

You disagree with everyone else and aren’t going to change your mind. Everyone else disagrees with you. In 31 pages you have convinced precisely zero people. I don’t think that’s gonna change.

So yea, we are at the literal definition of an impasse.

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

im·passe
/ˈimˌpas,imˈpas/
noun
a situation in which no progress is possible, especially because of disagreement; a deadlock.

You disagree with everyone else and aren’t going to change your mind. Everyone else disagrees with you. In 31 pages you have convinced precisely zero people. I don’t think that’s gonna change.

So yea, we are at the literal definition of an impasse.

Proclaiming something as an impasse does not mean it is an impasse. Your assumptions are meaningless.

Using an argumentum ad populum fallacy is not a valid method of debate.

Making false claims about who agrees with who is irrelevant.

Posting gifs is not evidence that supports your position.

You are losing this debate, we are not at an impasse. You will continue to lose until you can actually respond to the evidence I have provided here: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=300

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Proclaiming something as an impasse does not mean it is an impasse.

Perhaps we're at an impasse over whether or not it's an impasse.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Perhaps we're at an impasse over whether or not it's an impasse.

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[Ripqozko]

Impassception

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Perhaps we're at an impasse over whether or not it's an impasse.

Lol perhaps.

Troxx is using the word "impasse" to imply we are tied, or he is winning. He really doesn't like to admit he may be wrong, especially in a debate with me.

If he wants to declare that he will never agree with me, we can stop replying to each other. We will be at an impasse in that regard.

This doesn't mean he is correct, or everybody disagrees with me. Thus far, my position https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=300 is much stronger. That doesn't mean I cannot be proven wrong. I sincerely hope someone actually brings some good evidence to back up their positions!