Who started it?

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[Nirgon]

I would like to see your band of ruffian north men slay Phinigel and the fire giants alone.

We are not an alt guild or any of these other lies that are peddled by jealous, non RP chartered guilds.

We will be hosting server wide open Erudite (women too) only raids.

[bbsmitz]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We are not an alt guild or any of these other lies that are peddled by jealous, non RP chartered guilds.

Didn't ST themselves say this though when the UN was first formed and the 8 hour slots were first being allocated? I haven't seen this addressed. Until it does I think alt-guild accusations are going to dog you guys, particularly if you have a Monk in ST. I also understand that one of the guides (menden was it?) has stated you're separate from ST which gives a decent basis for having your own representation in the UN, but to bring things full circle, that is a separate issue from what started this whole shit-show, which seems to be ST labeling you an alt-guild.

[Nirgon]

None of us have a monk in ST. This thread can be moved to resolved. I appreciate everyone's opinion.

[bbsmitz]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

None of us have a monk in ST. This thread can be moved to resolved. I appreciate everyone's opinion.

Consider my post amended but you still have failed to answer the question of why ST said you guys are an alt-guild.

[winter888]

Yea, your goal has achieved. so you prefer the shity fact sinking in the forum as fast as possible. We got it.

But no, every time you vote for ST helping them get more of pixel ,and ruining the community, this post will be pumped up again with news of your drama. to show everyone what a bouch of neckbeard can do like this.

You should change ur guild name to Drama teaM of Odus.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Shaquilleos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oof used to think you had it together. Crumbling in here. Look what I can do: Black Lotus and Venerate et. al tagging along with Kingdom does not earn you full voting rights in all matters concerning content on the server. Cant wait to see Black Lotus competing against Kingdom and Venerate this weekend. Right? You’re all independent can kill your own targets and deserve unique vote right?

I assure you I have it together. Please answer the following to show that you still do:

DMO has admitted in this thread several times that consistently sending 2-3 players along with Seal Team is the extent of their participation. Have you honestly convinced yourselves that this is even remotely in the same league as 20-30 Black Lotus or Venerate consistently participating on 7-day targets within an alliance of guilds that share the spoils for the increased probability of FTE?

At any rate, I suppose the point is moot since I should be welcoming you into the UN, where I hope you use the opportunity to do good.

I realize you feel very strongly about your guild, its members, and their interests, as do the rest of the guilds that play on the server. Surely there are enough of us that don't want Green devolving into the toxicity that Blue became over the years where we don't have to live through that again.

Thank you in advance for helping to work together within the UN to help make this server a better place and a fun environment for players interested in raiding. I apologize to anyone I may have offended by any of my statements or opinions in this thread.

[ClephNote]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you honestly convinced yourselves that this is even remotely in the same league as 20-30 Black Lotus or Venerate consistently participating on 7-day targets within an alliance of guilds that share the spoils for the increased probability of FTE?

Have you honestly convinced yourself that a guild with a UN vote and rotation slot that can't compete individually and has to ally with 20-30 members of another guild (as well as multiple other UN guilds, each getting individual, competition free rotation slots and UN votes as well) against Seal Team on 7-day targets is in the same league as 3 people, max, raiding with a guild of... actual friends?

Seal Team founded the UN. Seal Team founded monthly open raids.

But, we could fix this: Blow up the UN and open raids.

Would that make you feel better? Cuz the current model of you having your cake, eating it, crying about it, hating us and trying to make us look like we're the bad guys is tiresome.

[ClephNote]

htf has ST or DMO "ruined the community"? Or is this rnf and it's just troll talk? The PR campaign of hearsay and just flat out stupid is mindboggling.

Did I get trolled? I think I've been trolled...