*OFFICIAL GREAT WALL OF OFF TOPIC*

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Originally Posted by maerilith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wht happened, we are missing a bunch of threads.. i guess we are done with Azzar and bigJ throwin some gangsta? Cuz, those two... yikes.

They were low quality and had to be deleted, sorry.

[AzzarTheGod]

What happened was staff saw how weak Angryjamamlamar's bars were and euthanized the topic to save me from investing any time.

I knew that would happen after taking a glance this morning and steered clear of the impending streetsweeper.

[bigjerry]

im the streetsweeper mentioned in the above post

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http://www.spacex.com/hyperloop

Teams ready to test pods in Southern California for futuristic Hyperloop transit system

A white three-quarter-mile enclosed tube along a Hawthorne street, near Musk’s SpaceX and Tesla plants, will be the focus of a competition in which the teams will test pod vehicles propelled inside a vacuum chamber.

[sOurDieSel]

OT a safespace again? smh its 2017

[maerilith]

Random rambling thought process: (i'm abrasive and imperfektkin, please realize I don't hate and I'm a inclusivist)

 

Here's the thing. "Trans, Transsexual, Non-binary, Otherkin" and all other twenty-five thousand genders are legitimate points of view. On an individual case by case basis they work great for people who respect them. However in the grand scheme of things, cishet people are in control. The gender binary divine right to dominion folks wish to remain thoroughly in control at all costs (not all cishet people, but a vast powerful majority). We've come a long way as a nation, and we have a lot of very progressive areas which are colourful and diverse. The vast majority of the empty space in between them remains extremely black and white. There is very little diversity outside of the municipal hubs of economy and cultural developments. Even between various hubs, there is quite a bit of monoculture, which is very resistant to change.

We have seen in the past few years great strides in the advantage of LGBTQIA rights and protection. I however believe that trying to change culture, while valuable isn't something we should approach through legislation unless absolutely necessary as a minority.

A brief and very cut and dry example:
Transsexual, dysphoric MTF people who are fairly crippled by having a male body. Many are suicidal, or suffer incredibly because it's incredibly hard to justify, fight for, and gain access to health care, and they are treated as "mentally ill" etc. People who fall into this scenario really don't have choice, they are damned if they do, and damned if they don't if they succeed or fail. I believe there is a genuine physiologic reason for this, and that these people are the way they are naturally. That they shouldn't be "cured" and should be able to do what they can to live happy productive lives. Gender is not such an issue here, as the need to be physically and emotionally complete. Biological is what is at issue here. Some of these people are dieing horribly because they are an extremely neglected minority that only survives because they cling on to bigger groups, like the LGBs and the Ts who aren't transexxual, or the Q's, or womans rights. And rightly we should SUPPORT others like us, or who like us, and respect us, and support us.

We have genders, which everyone falls into. We have the two classical genders. Man, Woman. Some people aren't worried about their gender, but are gender non-conforming. There is a progressive movement capitalizing on making gender obsolete which is great. People should be able to "freely express themselves" However, people aren't dying because they are gender non-conforming so much. The way to actively not-conform to gender is to break down the barriers between the sexes. In creating "more genders" we are dividing the "sex's" even further into multiple camps. "I'm a male, who's a nonbinary!", "I'm a queer female"!

What is happening in reality though is people are creating rules, and being co-opted to legislate what is unnecessary. We need to remove the idea of "sex" discrimination and "gender" discrimination from society. We need to reduce the number of "genders" and respect peoples biological sex. There needs to be some language developed to defend the right to change ones sex, and demonstrate the necessity of it. We don't really have a "right" as individual small minority groups to remake culture into our own "Images". What we are doing is divisive and has FUELED political warfare on multiple fronts. We are throwing money and effort into "Rescuing genders" that can already be freely expressed, while people with sex disorders, or biological disorders are being lumped in and forgotten about, while trans people who suffer dysphoria and need access to medical care are being treated like "Queer Activists", and indeed SOME are. However focusing political activism into "Queer Identity" doesn't save lives, it damages our culture by creating strife (at this point in time). We could develop a culture with a queer identity, but we aren't going to do it up against the odds we have right now.

We need to regroup. Respect the culture we live in, and respect the people who need help the most. Those on the brink of self destruction. Not those who just want to crossdress and protest. They can continue to crossdress and protest, and have a gender revolution. We shouldn't march to death or conflate that activism, with the real issue of transsexxualism and the root of gender dysphoria. As confused as these words have become. People who are intellectual, doctors, scientists, have been working hard to ensure that everyone gets gender affirming care under WPATH guidelines, and pushing institutions and medicine to accept us. However the government doesn't need to be pushed to support all 4k of the nth number of gender identities.

What it does is be pushed to respect the integrity of people, their bodies, medical science, their rights, and to break the barriers of sexism. Gender language is a bad idea, but we have to work with the biggest group of people we have on our side, men and woman, who live with us, who we work with, and for, and who'm we also represent, as we are gendered by our culture.

Being non-binary isn't life threatening. Passing isn't life threatening. Being our selves is where the rubber meats the road. Making people respect ourselves, we have to accept how gender works in society, and fix what we can, our own biological sex. We should advocate for woman, if society genders us woman, we should advocate for men if society advocates for men, we should advocate for men and woman, until theres no difference between the two, and until sex is and irrelevant aspect of gender. We need to fight for peoples rights to be themselves and interpret the world as themselves, not dictate some kind of authoritative code of ever changing rules.

There is nothing wrong with changing gender, or having a gender, but it's on the individual to represent that gender and gain respect as that gender. It is not beholden on society to respect that gender.

It is beholden on society to help people with body dysphoria and biological sex dysphoria, so that they can be whole enough to seek acceptance and representation in the gender that they are. No one has a right to have 10 genders on a license or passport. And passports shouldn't list gender. But these are long term goals.

We do have a right to be ourselves, regardless of our sex at birth. I'm rambling... but when people fight about genders it's bad. We need to take a step back, and re-evaluate ourselves and our ideology, and what we can reasonably expect from others. This is how one successfully transitions. This can strategy can be applied to non-binary and other trans sub groups > FTMs can be men, can be non binary, can fix their bodies so that they are accepted by themselves and others, so that they can be men, but they cannot change the very definition of man, not through force of government. Only by representation and example.

CONCLUSION
The deconstruction of gender, and identity into subgroups is divisive. People are way more than a gender, or a religion, or a skin color, we are much more, and making a fuss about it in politics is creating division, and making people apart. So we need to chill with some of the liberal/progressive activism, and we need to fight the most and pour all our effort into saving those crushed by lack of medical care, even trans or not, we have to begin to fight for a right, that isn't just ours alone, but that also includes us along with all the other genders and people of religion and color out there. A fight to be free to express ourselves, be ourselves, and care for ourselves, have integrity of body and mind, and to not be "cured" or attacked for what we are, but to be respected for who we are, we already have these rights, we need to defend them and stop creating more instances of "people". We are all one people.

I'm going to go run now. I don't mind other points of view, and I promise not to argue them. I'm curious, and this is how I feel as an individual. I feel it's important enough to communicate this thought. Because I am worried about our future and the futures of people who don't have a voice. By all means, please debate, please correct me. I want to know.

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They seem to be patching the matrix with some cool updates recently...


Scientists have confirmed a brand new form of matter: time crystals

Physicists have found a metal that conducts electricity but not heat

Also, I laughed at this but I think it can be extrapolated to explain a lot.

Corn turning French hamsters into deranged cannibals: research

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I only seen first couple posts of it, was going to imbibe lyric tonic and destroy them but it's gone...

[maerilith]

Is a kathoey conforming or not?

Tomboys are conforming to a man gender imho.

Are there truly nonbinary people? Yes, they are an exception, and classical gender ideas still fit them ok.

In my opinion it's unnecessary and harmful to equality to create politics and laws focused around the idea of gender deconstruction.

We don't need further labeling and subgroups to further segregate and distinguish particular rights for particular people.

A simple line of code, equality for all regardless of their individuality = the most succinct fair and clear solution. Strike the ideas that people need to be recognised in distinctly different groups from legality and legislation and governance. This will result in a truly egalitarian society where any*kin will always have equal value and representation under the rule of law.

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Define equal please, this is the point of contention. No special rights for groups of people.

Money might be speech, but corporations are groups of people.